# Turkey Shoots Down Russian Warplane. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 24, 2015, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418 "2015-11-24T11:13:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/41 "2015-11-24T17:51:02Z")
If NATO won’t help Turkey protect its airspace, perhaps South Korea will. ---
**Author:** ![Murf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Murf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Murf)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/42 "2015-11-24T18:02:33Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > They didn’t really mean to kill him, they were just trying to shoot down the parachute. Wow, those guys must have had a really busy day if they didn’t have the time to wait for that parachute to just float down. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/43 "2015-11-24T18:19:47Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > Turkey believes the two pilots are alive and claims to be working for their release from Syrian rebels. > > Putin, predictably, is posturing. "The Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from NATO to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours.” Yes, posturing, because Putin is quite aware that the rest of NATO is capable of applying pressure to Turkey to make sure “accidents” are less likely to happen in the future. > [@Murf](#): > > Wow, those guys must have had a really busy day if they didn’t have the time to wait for that parachute to just float down. Yes - apparently someone is claiming they shot a pilot descending under parachute, which is generally considered a no-no as such a guy is no longer in combat and pretty defenseless. If somebody did do that they have more to worry about from the Russia than the Turkish government does. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/44 "2015-11-24T18:26:33Z")
The anti-Assad Turkmen rebels were presumably the Russians’ targets here to begin with. Now they will be again. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/45 "2015-11-24T18:32:50Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > You are forgetting that Turkey has been supporting ISIS and bombing the Kurds fighting them. Wait. Is there anything to this claim? I know Turkey was only ever admitted to NATO because the Western powers were trying to show they weren’t Islamophobic, but have they been supporting ISIS? ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/46 "2015-11-24T18:43:19Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Wait. Is there anything to this claim? I know Turkey was only ever admitted to NATO because the Western powers were trying to show they weren’t Islamophobic, but have they been supporting ISIS? Errr, wait, what? Turkey joined NATO in 1952, (alongwith) Greece because of anti-communist positions and to secure the southern flank of the Mediterranean and control access to the Black Sea. Political Islam was more than a quarter of a century into the future then. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/47 "2015-11-24T18:57:36Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Wait. Is there anything to this claim? I know Turkey was only ever admitted to NATO because the Western powers were trying to show they weren’t Islamophobic, but have they been supporting ISIS? Are you on drugs? NATO is an anti-Russian alliance. Turkey wanted into NATO because they wanted protection from the Russkis. We wanted Turkey in NATO because we wanted everyone we could get into the anti-Russian alliance. Turkey joined NATO in 1952. That’s looooooong before anyone was worried about fucking Islamophobia. The Ottoman Empire/Turkey has been involved in European power politics, diplomacy, and wars for hundreds of years. Getting Turkey onside against the Russkis was imperative back in the 50s, you’d prefer Turkey as part of the Warsaw Pact? Luckily for the Turks they stayed out of WWII and so didn’t get invaded by the Russians and turned into the People’s Republic of Turkey. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/48 "2015-11-24T19:04:23Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > I know Turkey was only ever admitted to NATO because the Western powers were trying to show they weren’t Islamophobic, That’s ridiculous. Turkey bordered the Soviet Union, that’s why NATO wanted them in. Also, I doubt many people gave a shit about appearing Islamophobic in 1952. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/49 "2015-11-24T19:17:16Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Are you on drugs? NATO is an anti-Russian alliance. Turkey wanted into NATO because they wanted protection from the Russkis. We wanted Turkey in NATO because we wanted everyone we could get into the anti-Russian alliance. Turkey joined NATO in 1952. That’s looooooong before anyone was worried about fucking Islamophobia. > > The Ottoman Empire/Turkey has been involved in European power politics, diplomacy, and wars for hundreds of years. Getting Turkey onside against the Russkis was imperative back in the 50s, you’d prefer Turkey as part of the Warsaw Pact? Luckily for the Turks they stayed out of WWII and so didn’t get invaded by the Russians and turned into the People’s Republic of Turkey. Anti Soviet and Eastern Block. Turkey borders Bulgaria. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/50 "2015-11-24T19:23:23Z")
Has Russia ever NOT claimed innocence? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/51 "2015-11-24T19:36:15Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Anti Soviet and Eastern Block. Turkey borders Bulgaria. They weren’t worried about the Bulgarians back in 1952. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/52 "2015-11-25T02:18:30Z")
Even before it joined NATO, Turkey was menaced by the USSR. In 1946, its ambassador died in Washington, so the US used this for a show of force by returning the body with the USS Missouri as a really, really impressive hearse. ---
**Author:** ![Nanoda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Nanoda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanoda)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/53 "2015-11-25T04:28:42Z")
On the one hand, from a global stability POV this seems like it merits at least a raised eyebrow. OTOH, it _has_ lead to the fantastic headline > [@](#): > > Turkey pilots warned Russian jet 10 times before shoot-down Possibly their radio broadcasts were gobbled. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/54 "2015-11-25T05:37:28Z")
OTH, the Turks have always been the bastard stepchild of NATO, so I doubt they will get much support except from the United States. Certainly the Euros are going to stay out. 3.5 million Russians visited Turkey in 2012/2013. There is an advisory against visits now. That is going to hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/55 "2015-11-25T09:07:34Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > 3.5 million Russians visited Turkey in 2012/2013. There is an advisory against visits now. That is going to hurt. Yeah, Turkey receives more tourists from Russia than from any other country. Guessing this is the end of that. I’m guessing tourism to Egypt will decrease as well… So maybe now they’ll start flooding into Iran instead? From [here](http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/iran-the-rising-star-of-tourism-.aspx?PageID=238&NID=91564&NewsCatID=402): > [@](#): > > While tourism executives are trying to reach new markets like China, India and South Africa, it also appears that Turkey will have to compete with a new rival in the region. > > That new rival is Iran, which is in the process of normalization with the West. > > The CEO of the Ekin Group, Fehmi Köfteoğlu, said they would especially focus on Iran in a report they will submit to the tourism congress. > > Iran was also the star of the World Travel Fair in London held at the beginning of November, he said. “Iran’s stand at the fair was five to six times bigger when compared to past years.” > > There is a special section dedicated to Iran in the global trends in tourism report prepared by the World Travel Market and Euromonitor International. > > Along with the historic and cultural heritage accumulated through the centuries, Iran is expected to become an important destination in faith tourism as well as adventure tourism thanks to its 20 ski centers. However, because of its years of isolation and sanctions, its infrastructure has long been neglected. > > But Köfteoğlu said tourism investments would pour into Iran as the country becomes a favorite of foreign travel agencies. As part of new steps taken for tourism, the Iranian government has introduced a visa-on-arrival system for foreigners such as Germans, French and Russians. And just a couple of weeks back, the Russians and the Iranians announced [the opening of mutual tourism offices](http://www.irna.ir/en/News/81840474/), to boost Russian tourism to Iran. ---
**Author:** ![botsgotme](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@botsgotme](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/botsgotme)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/56 "2015-11-25T13:13:15Z")
Man-I can hardly wait-those burqua-bikinis on iranian beaches! ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/57 "2015-11-25T14:00:35Z")
> [@botsgotme](#): > > Man-I can hardly wait-those burqua-bikinis on iranian beaches! Did you mean to say “burqas”? They’re very uncommon in Iran. As for beaches, Kish Island has more than a few, and basically the entire island has been turned into a vacation resort. I can easily imagine Russians flooding the place. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/58 "2015-11-25T14:22:33Z")
> **[Compulsory Hijab in Iran: There Is No Room for Appeasement](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/compulsory-hijab-in-iran_b_1698338)** > > Unfortunately, Iranian women's deprivation of one of their primary rights -- the right to wear what they want in public -- has yet to garner attention in the era of 'Islamophobia.' Wiki says they are uncommon but this article would disagree. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/59 "2015-11-25T14:24:59Z")
> [@Nanoda](#): > > On the one hand, from a global stability POV this seems like it merits at least a raised eyebrow. OTOH, it _has_ lead to the fantastic headline > > > [@](#): > > > > Turkey pilots warned Russian jet 10 times before shoot-down > > Possibly their radio broadcasts were gobbled. I just wanted to let you know I appreciated this. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Steken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@Steken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steken)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418/60 "2015-11-25T14:29:38Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > [Compulsory Hijab in Iran: There Is No Room for Appeasement | HuffPost The World Post](http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1698338) > > Wiki says they are uncommon but this article would disagree. That article says nothing at all about the prevalence of the burqa in Iran. Feel free to try again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkey-shoots-down-russian-warplane/738418.md?page=4)