# Turkish flagged vessel attack \[What if?--becomes What now?\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 25, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765 "2010-05-25T23:32:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/901 "2010-06-04T23:41:59Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > You’re welcome to reply to my actual argument about what we see on video, what that shows us, and why an alternate explanation that they came down already shooting makes no sense. There was an argument in there? How many helicopters carrying troops were there? Can you tell from the edited footage? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/902 "2010-06-04T23:53:39Z")
> [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > an argument Please respond to my argument if you would like to discuss it. > [@RedFury](#): > > reporter-disputes-israeli-account- … and makes no sense. So the IDF started firing from the air. And when they send down commandos, why did they still have their sidearms holstered, and their paintball guns drawn? And if they’d decided already to use lethal force, why were the soldiers allowing themselves to be beaten by crowbars rather than simply shooting their attackers? To say nothing of one of his more bizarre claims, that the commandos in the helicopters were “firing almost indiscriminately without even looking where they were firing.”. He’s honestly claiming that the IDF decided to start sniping people, but they decided instead to just fire randomly. ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/903 "2010-06-04T23:53:45Z")
While it seems to me[the headline and initial comment of this blog](http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/06/the-flotilla-raid-was-not-bungled-the-idf-detailed-its-violent-strategy-in-advance/) post by a certain Max Blumenthal with a translation from Hebrew of an Israeli article pre-incident is overdone, the article does suggest that the Israeli forces had psyched themselves up for a violent confrontation and the post-facto protests to the contrary, came with a penchant to view this as a guns-blazing situation. While the argument of intent seems overdone, this comment is I think just: > [@](#): > > So the Israeli military broadcast its plan for violence, inciting the Israeli public and the soldiers of Unit 13 with fevered visions of a kill-or-be-killed encounter with a group of Arab “terrorists.” The stated conditions for using live fire were arbitrary and poorly defined, giving the commandos little direction and lots of leeway to kill — at the very least the plan demanded force in some form. > > After the initial violent stages, the plan called for the gathering of the activists’ “fighting tools,” an acknowledgment by the Israeli military that the activists might try to repel its commandos once they forced their way on the ships. The plan to search for “sabotage materials” also foreshadowed the IDF’s post-raid propaganda campaign. > > An alternative plan that would have been likely to avert violence could have been set into motion. The Israeli Navy could have done what it had in the past and hijacked the aid ships without boarding them, then towed them to shore. However, the Rambo-style plan concocted by Netanyahu, his top aides and the Naval commander with the unfortunate nickname of “Cheney” made the killing of activists likely, if not inevitable. > > Why didn’t Israel’s leaders choose to deal with the flotilla in a more judicious fashion? Were they that stupid, or just crazy? From the details of the plan it appears that Netanyahu and his cohorts had envisioned Entebbe Part Deux, a daring anti-terror raid that would lift the sinking morale of the Israeli public while intimidating Iran and the Arab world. Though Israel may be more isolated than ever as a result of the massacre, the Netanyahu administration is reaping considerable political benefits at home. In keeping with other critical comment, I think this article confirms that the Netanyahu government inappropriately boxed itself into an over-the-top and aggressive plan from political conceit and willful blindness. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/904 "2010-06-04T23:54:48Z")
Sure, I was discussing it. I’ll repeat again, as you seem to have missed it: how many helicopters carrying troops were there? Are you going to continue being this evasive when people call you on your arguments? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2010, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/905 "2010-06-04T23:58:57Z")
Since, as I mentioned before, I’ve long given up hope “debating” anything to with Israel with certain posters on this and other boards, I’ll simply post a written transcript of the pertinent revelations made in her account of events: > [@Sarah Colborne](#): > > \*\*At 2am I went to sleep. At around 4.10am I woke up, went up to the deck where I could see outside and I saw boats, small dinghies but bristling with guns and Israeli military, speeding towards the ship. Helicopters then appeared. Gas and sound bombs were used and the reports from Sydney Morning Herald [a reporter from the newspaper was on Challenger, another boat in the flotilla] were that at 4.20am they reported gunshots, and the Challenger transmitted this information. > > We then had the first passenger fatally injured. He was brought to the back of the open deck below. He was shot in the head. I saw him. He was obviously in a very bad way and he subsequently died. There were bullets flying all over the place when I was on the top deck and I took the decision to go downstairs. > > It felt a bit surreal. I couldn’t quite believe they were doing what they were doing. There was live ammunition flying around and I could hear the sounds of the bullets flying and the whirr of the helicopter blades as people were dropped down onto the roof. What I saw was guns being used by the Israelis on unarmed civilians. > > We asked for the Israelis to stop the attacks. We were asking in English: “We are not resisting, please help the injured.” Instead of helping the injured, the saloon remained surrounded by soldiers targeting individuals with laser sights. I could see the red of the laser sights sweeping over people’s heads. > > The captain announced live ammunition was being used, to stop resisting and to go downstairs. At 5.15am we started broadcasting over the Tannoy for help to evacuate the critically injured and for emergency medical assistance. > > We made two attempts to get the message across in the written form as well as the many announcements over the Tannoy. We wrote a sign in Hebrew saying: “SOS! Need medical assistance. People are dying. Urgent.” > > It wasn’t until 7am that the Israelis started allowing the first critically injured people off and they were delivered into Israeli hands. An attempt was made to send a medic with each of the critically injured people. Instead, the medics were cuffed and put on the deck.\*\* Full transcript here: [**Gaza flotilla: Sarah Colborne’s account**](http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/03/sarah-colborne-gaza-account) – underline mine. Now, any similitude between this account and what was fed to the world MSM via the IDF & the Israeli Spin Machine, must be clearly in the imagination of the reader. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/906 "2010-06-05T00:01:40Z")
> [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > Sure, I was discussing it. This is the argument I posted: > [@](#): > > We have video footage that shows that the IDF commandos were not shooting anybody as they rappelled down, even though they could have assisted their comrades who were being hammered with crowbars. > > Your claim is essentially that IDF troops started rappelling down while randomly shooting people, and then stopped shooting people and let themselves be brutally beaten with crowbars and, in fact, re-holstered their sidearms and kept using their paintball guns. And that even the reinforcements who were repelling down also weren’t firing at anybody. > > In order for your claim to be at all plausible, trained commandos would have had to have descended onto the deck, firing while they did. And then let themselves get surrounded by people using lethal force. And then have had their backup descend with ineffective weapons. If your claim is that there were other helicopters where they opened fire, you still still need to explain why we have footage of commandos rappelling down with painball guns and their sidearms holstered, and that even when attacked with lethal force they still weren’t shooting their attackers. Please explain why, exactly, this would happen. ---
**Author:** ![Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Capt.Ridley_s_Shooting_Party)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/907 "2010-06-05T00:04:10Z")
Is this a joke? The first team sent in attempted to confront the activists with non-lethal weapons; they were overwhelmed. The second team abseiled in with assault rifles and live ammunition. ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/908 "2010-06-05T00:04:12Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > … and makes no sense. > So the IDF started firing from the air. And when they send down commandos, why did they still have their sidearms holstered, and their paintball guns drawn? And if they’d decided already to use lethal force, why were the soldiers allowing themselves to be beaten by crowbars rather than simply shooting their attackers? Sticks and perhaps crowbars, only thing we can really tell from the evidence is the sticks. You’re starting from the presumption that the IDF account is entirely factual. That is a very large assumption that is very reasonably not shared by those with a critical view of the operation. In particular in light of the Israeli seizure of the journalists materials (at high seas). Of course it rather escapes why the Israelis proceeded as they did no matter the sequence, so perhaps the answer is, sheer incompetence, driven in part by excessive confidence. > [@](#): > > To say nothing of one of his more bizarre claims, that the commandos in the helicopters were “firing almost indiscriminately without even looking where they were firing.”. He’s honestly claiming that the IDF decided to start sniping people, but they decided instead to just fire randomly. I rather imagine that’s exaggeration, probably panic as well, influencing. What they may have been shooting (and perceived sequence of events - fog of war / stress is likely to make accounts somewhat jumbled without adding in any deliberate spin). ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/909 "2010-06-05T00:16:46Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Full transcript here Again people should check. Her recorded speech on video has differences from the “transcript.” > [@](#): > > “There were bullets flying all over the place when I was on the top deck and I took the decision to go downstairs. It felt a bit surreal. I couldn’t quite believe they were doing what they were doing. There was live ammunition flying around and I could hear the sounds of the bullets flying and the whirr of the helicopter blades as people were dropped down onto the roof. What I saw was guns being used by the Israelis on unarmed civilians.” Do not appear where they’re alleged to be. Again, readers really should check that out. At time index 5:20, she has just finished the lines “. I saw him. He was obviously in a very bad way and he subsequently died.” \*The very next thing she says on the tape is “The captain [that] announced live ammunition was being used.” The lines from the “transcript” that allegedly come between those two statements do not. Likewise, numerous lines are mangled, her actual comments about how the captain said they should not resist “this act of piracy” are on the video, but not the transcript. The folks who’ve been talking about sloppy propaganda will, I hope, condemn this rather blatant piece of it. In any case, even going off the transcript: she did not see how the fighting started, does not say that the Israelis opened fire before being attacked. Your claims that her testimony someone demolished the reports we’ve seen are false. She also claims that she left the actual scene of violence (and so didn’t see that either) but that a firefight had already developed where she claims that unarmed people were being shot at, although she also somehow doesn’t mention the commandos being attacked by men with crowbar or knifes so it’s safe to say that she certainly may have missed details, and that while ducking from a firefight one might not notice if someone who was shot had a knife. Edit: the time indexes I was using come from the original YouTube. The Guardian video seems to be the exact same one just with a bit of a different time signature, but the “transcript” is still incorrect. > [@Capt.Ridley\_s\_Shooting\_Party](#): > > The first team sent in attempted to confront the activists with non-lethal weapons; they were overwhelmed. The second team abseiled in with assault rifles and live ammunition. You claims agree with the IDF claims that they didn’t initiate lethal force until their commandos were overwhelmed and even in your gloss it was a second helicopter that opened fire after the first helicopter’s crew was subjected to lethal force, and so you agree that claims of them starting sniping people from the word ‘go’ contradict the facts. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/910 "2010-06-05T00:23:15Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Again people should check. Her recorded speech on video has differences from the “transcript.” Even weirder, the YouTube video that Red posted seems to be an edited version of the Guardian version (ironic). Even in the guardian version the lines > [@](#): > > t felt a bit surreal. I couldn’t quite believe they were doing what they were doing. There was live ammunition flying around and I could hear the sounds of the bullets flying and the whirr of the helicopter blades as people were dropped down onto the roof. What I saw was guns being used by the Israelis on unarmed civilians. do not appear. Check for yourself. It starts at 2:45 on the Guardian video. It goes straight from “There were bullets flying all over the place when I was on the top deck and I took the decision to go downstairs” To “We asked for the Israelis to stop the attacks.” The rest of it is filled with significant mistquotes. But I think the inclusion of an entire paragraph that evidently never happened is probably the most egregious bit. Damn odd. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/911 "2010-06-05T00:35:29Z")
Even weirder, at 12:15 in the YouTube video she agrees that people were trying to stop the commandos from getting on the boat. She’s just dodged a question as to what form the resistance took and instead talked about how they had kitchen knives on board but she didn’t see any being used. When the reporter presses her on what form the resistance took, she again dodges the question and instead reiterates her “piracy” claim. Then she claims that she wasn’t aware of any passengers on the boat beating commandos with crowbars or cudgels. She also gets caught up in her own story and can’t decide if she was on the top deck or the second deck. When pressed again on what sort of resistance she saw, she claims that she only saw people standing and shouting. That goes to about 13:15 on the video. Between this and the Guardian’s faux-transcript, I would hope that those who have deplored propaganda speak out harshly against this nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/912 "2010-06-05T03:24:02Z")
If the commandoes were overwhelmed with “lethal force”, how come none of them died? Damn odd. Must be really, really tough. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/913 "2010-06-05T03:35:56Z")
Of course, all the people on the ship who were shot and who didn’t die were also not subjected to lethal force. Same for everybody involved in a case of assault with a deadly weapon. For quite some time everybody in the criminal justice system has been using the metric of whether or not a weapon was a lethal weapon, but really we should have been using the metric that the person had to have died. Stab someone and they live? Not a lethal weapon. Shoot someone and they live? Not a lethal weapon. Bash someone with a crowbar and they live? Definitely not a lethal weapon. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/914 "2010-06-05T04:54:38Z")
Oh, we clearly have some examples of lethal force being applied, no question there. About nine of them, last I heard. And my point is not to engage with you in an exercise in semantic precision, but simply that the lethal force which demanded lethal defense had no lethal outcomes, except for the peace terrorists. Doesn’t prove anything, necessarily, but doesn’t fit your preferred narrative very well. In fact, I don’t recall seeing any photos of any injured commandos at all, which is odd, don’t you think? Considering that they were mobbed and set upon with iron bars and coriander? My guess? I’m guessing (and I emphasize “guess”) the soldiers set upon were being hit with sticks, being battered and bruised, but not in mortal danger and didn’t pull their pistols because: they didn’t want to kill anybody. Which, to my mind, reflects first rate training and self-discipline, as well as laudable humane courage. But somebody panicked. And it would only take one or two, losing their cool with automatic weapons. And I wouldn’t so much blame them, fear deranges the mind. I blame the men who cut their orders, who coolly and deliberately put them in that situation. Of course, the only thing wrong with that is that some of the peace terrorists were shot with exceptional targeting precision. If you want a nice long discussion about what the word “lethal” means, I’m sorry to disappoint, but I’m lazy and easily…ooh! Shiny! ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/915 "2010-06-05T05:54:06Z")
\*\*Elucidator \*\*- First of all, they did not panic. They asked for permission to fire, and Admiral Eli Marom, Commander in Chief of the Israeli Navy, who was standing in a skiff 30 yards away and watching the fight through night vision goggles, granted it. Second of all, one of the soldiers was shot inthe torso, one shot in the leg, one stabbed in the gut, one knocked unconscious by a metal bar to the head and another suffered head injuries after being thrown to the lower deck. This has been reported extensively in the Israeli media, including interviews with the wounded soldiers. I can also confirm it from my own personal, first-hand sources, so if you don’t trust the Israeli media, then please believe me. You’ve known me long enough - I wouldn’t lie about this sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/916 "2010-06-05T06:29:48Z")
Be assured that your personal integrity is not in question. And I don’t doubt your faith in your personal source, but they are not my personal sources, and my faith in your integrity goes only that far, that you honestly believe it to be so. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/917 "2010-06-05T06:43:01Z")
Do you really belive that every Israeli newspaper and TV channel is lying? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/918 "2010-06-05T07:15:30Z")
There is no dissent? No one questions the utter veracity of the IDF? All of the Israeli media say exactly the same thing? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/919 "2010-06-05T08:31:40Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Do you really belive that every Israeli newspaper and TV channel is lying? Not my query to respond to, but no, to the credit of your nation, I don’t [**Israel’s commando complex**](http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/israel-s-commando-complex-1.294206) Thus it would seem a total news blackout wasn’t in effect – or rather ineffective performance-wise. Regard _that_. ~Red ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2010, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/920 "2010-06-05T10:19:23Z")
The Rachel Corrie has been intercepted at sea. No casualties. [http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100605/ap\_on\_re\_mi\_ea/gaza\_blockade;\_ylt=AgbVTBbw3h7r.Mzg.V4XLous0NUE;\_ylu=X3oDMTNkcjJyaXQ5BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNjA1L2dhemFfYmxvY2thZGUEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNpc3JhZWxpZm9yY2U-](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100605/ap_on_re_mi_ea/gaza_blockade;_ylt=AgbVTBbw3h7r.Mzg.V4XLous0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNkcjJyaXQ5BGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMTAwNjA1L2dhemFfYmxvY2thZGUEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5fdG9wX3N0b3J5BHNsawNpc3JhZWxpZm9yY2U-) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765.md?page=47)