# Turkish flagged vessel attack \[What if?--becomes What now?\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 25, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765 "2010-05-25T23:32:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2010, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1021 "2010-06-06T20:03:40Z")
Gosh, this stuff is so much simpler if one is not hindered by any attempt at citation. Regrettably, this also leads to minor errors, such as identifying Iran as being “Arab”. > [@](#): > > …The one ship that had casualties had members of terrorists’ organizations on board… None of the other ships had members of “terrorist organizations” aboard? Perhaps if you were more specific, which passengers were members of which organizations, and by who’s lights they are defined as “terrorist”. > [@](#): > > …but she has to inspect the goods to eliminate matériel that can be used against her… There is a marvelous inclusivity in what Israel regards as “material that can be used against her.” Surely you’ve noticed? Weapons grade chamomile and coriander, of course, must be denied. The problem may stem from a lack of trust of Israeli intentions. Have you read the published list of proscribed stuff? All of that seems directly military to you? Seriously? > [@](#): > > …The UN is controlled by the Arab states… That calls out for citation. Actually, it screams itself hoarse for citation. Or is that another example of your droll wit? > [@](#): > > …even Europe now appears to be antisemitic… See above. > [@](#): > > …She has the money for resorts but not for basic needs… If she is forbidden to import those basic needs, what difference does it make how she spends the money? And, of course, another citation seems to be in order. And, of course, why should we deny basic needs to people because their government is incompetent? Tough love, or tough shit? But other than the minor flaws of being innocent of fact and/or citation, a very insightful post! ---
**Author:** ![barbitu8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@barbitu8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barbitu8)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1022 "2010-06-06T20:04:07Z")
You may enjoy this article, but you probably won’t enjoy it. > [@](#): > > THE FORGOTTEN RACHELS > > The Forgotten Rachels > By Tom Gross > The Spectator > October 22, 2005 > > Rachel Thaler, aged 16, was blown up at a pizzeria in an Israeli shopping > mall. She died after an 11-day struggle for life following a suicide bomb > attack on a crowd of teenagers on 16 February 2002. > > Even though Thaler was a British citizen, born in London, where her > grandparents still live, her death has never been mentioned in a British > newspaper. > > Rachel Corrie, on the other hand, an American radical who died in 2003 while > acting as a human shield during an Israeli anti-terror operation in Gaza, > has been widely featured in the British press. According to the Guardian > website, she has been written about or referred to on 57 separate occasions > in the Guardian alone, including three articles the Saturday before last. > > The cult of Rachel Corrie doesn’t stop there. Last week the play, My Name is > Rachel Corrie, reopened at the larger downstairs auditorium at the Royal > Court Theatre (a venue which the New York Times recently described as “the > most important theatre in Europe”). It previously played to sold-out > audiences at the upstairs theatre when it opened in April. (It is very rare > to revive a play so quickly.) > > On 1 November the “Cantata concert for Rachel Corrie” - co-sponsored by the > Arts Council - has its world premiere at the Hackney Empire. > > NO CULT AROUND THESE RACHELS > > But Rachel Thaler, unlike Rachel Corrie, was Jewish. And unlike Corrie, > Jewish victims of Middle East violence have not become a cause célèbre in > Britain. This lack of response is all the more disturbing at a time when an > increasing number of British Jews feel that there has been a sharp rise in > anti-Semitism. > > Thaler is by no means the only Jewish Rachel whose violent death has been > entirely ignored by the British media. Other victims of the Intifada include > Rachel Levy (aged 17, blown up in a grocery store), Rachel Levi (19, shot > while waiting for the bus), Rachel Gavish (killed with her husband, son and > father while at home celebrating a Passover meal), Rachel Charhi (blown up > while sitting in a Tel Aviv cafe, leaving three young children), Rachel > Shabo (murdered with her three sons aged 5, 13 and 16 while at home), Rachel > Ben Abu (16, blown up outside the entrance of a Netanya shopping mall) and > Rachel Kol, 53, who worked at a Jerusalem hospital and was killed with her > husband in a Palestinian terrorist attack in July a few days after the > London bombs. > > Corrie’s death was undoubtedly tragic but, unlike the death of these other > Rachels, it was almost certainly an accident. She was killed when she was > hit by an Israeli army bulldozer she was trying to stop from demolishing a > structure suspected of concealing tunnels used for smuggling weapons. > > Unfortunately for those who have sought to portray Corrie as a peaceful > protester, photos of her burning a mock American flag and stirring up crowds > in Gaza at a pro-Hamas rally were published by the Associated Press and on > Yahoo News on 15 February 2003, a month before she died. (Those photos were > not used in the British press.) > > While Thaler’s parents, after donating their murdered daughter’s organs for > transplant surgery, grieved quietly, Corrie’s parents embarked on a major > publicity campaign with strong political overtones. They travelled to > Ramallah to accept a plaque from Yasser Arafat on behalf of their daughter > (See photo here: [Tom Gross on The Forgotten Rachels](http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/TheForgottenRachels.html)). They > circulated her emails and diary entries to a world media eager to publicize > them. They have written op-ed pieces, including a recent one in the > Guardian. > > “EVEN THE LATE YASSER ARAFAT MIGHT HAVE BLUSHED AT THAT ONE” > > The International Solidarity Movement (ISM), the group with which Corrie was > affiliated, is routinely described as a “peace group” in the media. Few make > any mention of the ISM’s meeting with the British suicide bombers Omar Khan > Sharif and Asif Muhammad Hanif who, a few days later, blew up Mike’s Place, > a Tel Aviv pub, killing three and injuring dozens, including British > citizens. Or of the ISM’s sheltering in its office of Shadi Sukiya, a > leading member of Islamic Jihad. Or of the fact that in its mission > statement the ISM said “armed struggle” is a Palestinian “right”. > > According to the “media co-ordinator” of the ISM, Flo Rosovski, “‘Israel’ is > an illegal entity that should not exist” - which at any rate clarifies the > ISM’s idea of peace. > > Indeed, partly because of the efforts of Corrie’s fellow activists in the > ISM, the Israeli army was unable to stop the flow of weapons through the > tunnels near where she was demonstrating. Those weapons were later used to > kill Israeli children in the town of Sderot in southern Israel, and > elsewhere. > > However, in many hundreds of articles on Corrie published in the last two > years, most papers have been careful to omit such details. So have actor > Alan Rickman and Guardian journalist Katharine Viner, co-creators of My Name > is Rachel Corrie, leaving almost all the critics who reviewed the play > completely ignorant about the background to the events with which it deals. > > So in April, when reviewers first wrote about the play, they tended to take > it completely at face value. “Corrie was murdered after joining a > non-violent Palestinian resistance organisation,” wrote Emma Gosnell in the > Sunday Telegraph. The Evening Standard, for example, described it as a > “true-life tragedy” in which Corrie’s “unselfish goodness shines through”. > > Only one critic (Clive Davis in the Times) saw the play for the propaganda > it is. At one point Corrie declares, “The vast majority of Palestinians > right now, as far as I can tell, are engaging in Gandhian non-violent > resistance.” As Davis notes, “Even the late Yasser Arafat might have blushed > at that one.” > > But ultimately the play, and many of the articles about Corrie that have > appeared, are not really about the young American activist who died in such > tragic circumstances. They are about promoting a hate-filled and glaringly > one-sided view of Israel. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1023 "2010-06-06T20:11:10Z")
OK, if we grant that Ms Corrie was no better than she should be, that would prove…what, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/aca169/32.png) [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inbred_Mm_domesticus)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1024 "2010-06-06T20:35:06Z")
> [@barbitu8](#): > > Several posts have indicated that Israel was stupid for attacking a Turkish flotilla because Turkey has been a great friend of Israel. I answered that before, briefly, but that statement has again been expressed. Turkey recently has declared that Hamas is not a terrorist organization even though the US, Israel, and most of the “international community” have stated that she is. Turkey has also undertaken action recently indicating that she wishes to be divorced from her Israeli friendship, including the launching of this flotilla, and that she wants to be allied with Hamas, Iran, Syria, and other Arab states. Just because a country’s current government is critical of Israel’s policies does not mean it is your enemy and does not mean that it has abandoned Israel for all things anti-Israel. Maybe if the Israeli government and people like you did not exaggerate things so much then there wouldn’t be so much paranoia. > [@barbitu8](#): > > Many do not understand the need for the blockade. If ships are allowed to enter Gaza without inspection, Gaza (and Hamas) will be equipped with a better arsenal and increase her bombardment of Israel. (BTW, I repeat, the UN has not taken any steps to protect Israel in this regard. In Lebanon, a UN force is supposed to be present, but from all reports, the UN personnel there are actually helping Hezbollah.) The best way to handle all those people out to get you is to put them in prison. Do you think this is rational? And with so many out to get you: Turkey, the UN, Arab States, Palestinians, Iranians, Anti-Semites on this board and breeding like rabbits in several countries? > [@barbitu8](#): > > The UN is controlled by the Arab states and Israel can not look for any help in that direction - only hindrance. Israel is under an existential threat: her very existence is threated from all directions. As noted by a different poster, even Europe now appears to be antisemitic, and that was before this incident. England has always been antisemitic, and it has spread to France and other countries. The poster did not know the reason, but stated it appeared to have morphed from an anti-Zion culture, which doesn’t explain where the anti-Zionism arose. They are coming to get you! > [@barbitu8](#): > > I’ll also note that although Hamas has been building nice seaside resorts, she has left basic infrastructure, such as schools, to flounder. She has the money for resorts but not for basic needs. Are the resorts all made of concrete? I want to thank you for the contrast between your user name and what you post about. ---
**Author:** ![barbitu8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@barbitu8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/barbitu8)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1025 "2010-06-06T20:43:04Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > None of the other ships had members of “terrorist organizations” aboard? Perhaps if you were more specific, which passengers were members of which organizations, and by who’s lights they are defined as “terrorist”. > **[Turkey-Israel crisis: Why the formerly obscure IHH is playing a key role](https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0604/Turkey-Israel-crisis-Why-the-formerly-obscure-IHH-is-playing-a-key-role/(page)/2)** > > Turkey-Israel ties have been shattered by Monday's raid on the IHH-owned Mavi Mamara, the largest boat in the Gaza 'Freedom Flotilla.' Turkey's push for democracy has given the IHH new prominence. > [@](#): > > At Thursday’s Istanbul funeral of the flotilla members killed, and at a downtown rally held the night before to celebrate the other activists’ return, supporters of the IHH and its Gaza mission spoke in less charitable terms. > > “I think Israel has to be erased from the map of the Middle East,” says Murat Hazine, an economics student and IHH volunteer who was at the funeral, which – like the homecoming rally – was punctuated with cries of “Damn Israel” and “Allahu akbar” (“God is great”) from the crowd, many of whom were swathed in Palestinian flags and the occasional Hezbollah flag. “All the people here are ready for martyrdom in the fight against Israel.” ---
**Author:** ![Estilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/848f3c/32.png) [@Estilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Estilicon)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2010, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1026 "2010-06-06T21:01:23Z")
[ > [@barbitu8](#): > > [Turkey-Israel crisis: Why the formerly obscure IHH is playing a key role - CSMonitor.com](http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0604/Turkey-Israel-crisis-Why-the-formerly-obscure-IHH-is-playing-a-key-role/(page)/2)]([Hebe de Bonafini - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebe_de_Bonafini)) Hebe de Bonafini, is the current president of the “Mothers of May Square”. Several times, she has expressed her support for the FARC, the ETA, Fidel Castro and the terrorists involved in 9/11. That makes her a silly old fool, not a terrorist. Elucidator has asked for a cite that any passanger of that ship was a member of a terrorist organization. You have provided a link with a declaration by a protestor that, to my knowledge, wasn’t even in the ship. This is called Great Debates for a reason. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2010, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1027 "2010-06-06T22:24:03Z")
Actually, I’d probably want a bit more than that. Simply identifying a single person won’t cut it. First, because its just one and second, “terrorist organization” has become a term of art that entails a wonderful flexibility. If it can be shown that half the passengers were members of Al Queda, I would be very impressed. But simply a contact or association with say, Hamas, is less than fulfilling. This is not to say that there aren’t people who think than anyone who has ever had any contact with such groups as Hamas, however tenuous or fleeting, is a bomb-throwing maniac. Only that we may safely dismiss such persons from serious consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1028 "2010-06-07T02:37:52Z")
[Iran’s Revolutionary Guard offers to escort future Gaza aid vessels](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37537320/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/) > [@](#): > > “Iran’s Revolutionary Guards naval forces are fully prepared to escort the peace and freedom convoys to Gaza with all their powers and capabilities,” Ali Shirazi, Khamenei’s representative inside the Revolutionary Guards, was quoted as saying by the semi-official Mehr news agency. This is poke em with a stick diplomacy at its finest. Perhaps Turkey can tell them to STFU. ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1029 "2010-06-07T10:36:30Z")
**But Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to Washington, told Fox News: "We are rejecting an international commission. We are discussing with the Obama administration a way in which our inquiry will take place."** It’s a bit like Hilter demanding the SS be allowed to investigate themselves after WW2. Anyway Al Jazeera late last night received a press statement form the Knesset. Anybody read it yet? Everyone seems to favour Al Jazeera when they release statements? 😃 wonder why. Seriously though. After reading that press release. Isn’t it time that psychiatrists were sent into the Knesset. Isn’t it time for the men in white coats to be sent in.😕 ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 10:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1030 "2010-06-07T10:53:42Z")
Barbitu8 **Five ships were towed to port without casualty.** Yes according to the IDF but not according to the crew. MV Sfendoni Retired diplomat Edward Peck, who was on board the Sfendoni, said that the commandos were well-trained, and behaved reasonably well. The soldiers scuffled with a few activists trying to bar their access to the wheelhouse, but there were no major injuries, Peck said. Paul Larudee, a 64-year-old former linguistics professor from El Cerrito, California onboard the Sfendoni, was beaten and tased according to his family who said that Israeli consular officials informed them that Larudee, a pacifist, was beaten after refusing to follow the orders of troops. MS Sofia Swedish author Henning Mankell reports that Israeli troops rappelled onto the MS Sofia (also known as the Free Mediterranean) about an hour after the raid on the Mavi Marmara. Michalis Grigoropoulos, who was at the wheel of the ship according to the Guardian Newspaper, said that the Israeli commandos used electric shocks on those who tried to form a human ring on the bridge. In an eyewitness account, a reporter for the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung wrote that Israeli soldiers approached unarmed civilians with guns drawn and shot a 65 year old person with an electroshock weapon from a distance of ten centimeters. Mankell said soldiers shot “an older man in the crew, he was perhaps a little slow” with an electric gun, and another man with rubber bullets. Challenger One The Challenger One accelerated its course in an attempt to allow journalists onboard to broadcast their photos of the ongoing raid. Huwaida Arraf, an American activist who was on the Challenger One reported that Israeli soldiers attacked those who tried to block them from taking over the vessel with kicks, tasers, and concussion grenades. First mate Shane Dillon reported that Israeli troops used stun guns and paintball guns to subdue activists on board, broke the nose of a Belgian woman among them, and beat another passenger. Australian photojournalist Kate Geraghty was attacked and tasered by Israeli troops aboard the Challenger One, while attempting to photograph the raid. > **[Gaza flotilla raid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid#Sfendoni)** > > .mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct,.mw-parser-output .geo-inline-hidden{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}32°38′28″N 33°34′02″E / 32.64113°N 33.56727°E / 32.64113; 33.56727 > The Gaza flotilla raid was a military operation by Israel against six civilian ships of the "Gaza Freedom Flotilla" on 31 May 2010 i... ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1031 "2010-06-07T11:32:44Z")
Turkish Hurriyet Media has released some stills from a smart card hidden by one of the activists on board the Marmara. > **[If Americans Knew presents - Israel Palestine News](https://israelpalestinenews.org)** > > If Americans Knew is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to informing Americans about Israel-Palestine and the pro Israel lobby. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1032 "2010-06-07T12:00:15Z")
Oh goody, now Iran’s Red Crescent is going to try to run the blockade…for purely humanitarian reasons, of course… Whoopeee!! WWIII, here we come! [http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/07/iran-red-crescent-to-send-aid-to-gaza/?hpt=T2](http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/07/iran-red-crescent-to-send-aid-to-gaza/?hpt=T2) ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1033 "2010-06-07T12:03:20Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > It has been reported here in the US that people on the other boats were beaten and tasered but noone was killed. Some have suggested that this is what led some of the folks on the maru to fight back (still seems like a stupid thing to do. The point is to get video footage of getting beaten and tasered). they are wrong then the Mavi Marmara was the first to be attacked some of the other boats which were smaller and faster escaped being attacked till almost an hour after the Mavi attack took place ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1034 "2010-06-07T12:03:21Z")
> [@Marmite\_Lover](#): > > Turkish Hurriyet Media has released some stills from a smart card hidden by one of the activists on board the Marmara. > > [http://www.israel-palestinenews.org/](http://www.israel-palestinenews.org/) All those photos show is bloody Israeli soldiers. They don’t look like they are being “protected” or “aided” (as the article claims) to me. The last picture clearly shows what looks like an Israeli soldier being dragged up a flight of stairs… ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1035 "2010-06-07T12:23:02Z")
Not only Turkey, but Greece has also called of military drills etc with Israel. ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1036 "2010-06-07T12:54:17Z")
I just want to clear something up about martyrs. A Palestinian child who has been killed by an IDF snipers bullet is also a martyr according to the Islamic faith. Martyrs bodies are NOT washed after death as per usual ritual. All martyrs blood is left on the body and they are not put in shrouds but buried in the clothes they died in. That is why you see so many carried through the streets to the grave still wearing their blood soaked clothings. A baby who has been killed is buried in it’s romper suit it was wearing at the time of death. ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1037 "2010-06-07T12:59:18Z")
[http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gaza\_babies\_stacked\_dead.jpg](http://fourthreichisrael.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/gaza_babies_stacked_dead.jpg) martyrs being buried unwashed ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1038 "2010-06-07T13:01:21Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > All those photos show is bloody Israeli soldiers. They don’t look like they are being “protected” or “aided” (as the article claims) to me. The last picture clearly shows what looks like an Israeli soldier being dragged up a flight of stairs… and the first photo? what does that show? is he being protected or not? what does the one where the doctor is treating the wounds of the commando show? the lynch mob lynching him ? ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1039 "2010-06-07T14:04:10Z")
Just announced. Turkish IHH with UK/US Free Gaza Movement, Viva Palestina Global, and other activist groups are planning Freedom Flotilla/Convoy 2. 12th Sept 2010 the International convoys will leave London. One with 500 vehicles carrying aid and picking up in Europe on the way to Rafah crossing through Syria, Turkey, Jordan etc, ending in Rafah where they will cross overland into Gaza from Egypt. Simultaneously the Freedom Flotilla 2 will set sail from London stopping at various European sea ports to pick up boats and volunteers with so far 60 ships already signed up to reach Gaza beach at the same time as the land convoy enters Rafah. The aim to render the seige null and void. Erdogan has asked Turkish Parliament to support his intention to be on one of the Turkish vessels. He is awaiting the Turkish Military approval. He has informed Washington of his intention. NATO member in International waters possibly with Turkish Naval assistance. Israel, non signatory to NATO treaty. What will happen now? ---
**Author:** ![Marmite\_Lover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Marmite\_Lover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marmite_Lover)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/1040 "2010-06-07T14:27:14Z")
JoeBiden in Sharm el Sheikh today. Should be interesting. Off to trim my banana trees. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765.md?page=53)