# Turkish flagged vessel attack \[What if?--becomes What now?\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 25, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765 "2010-05-25T23:32:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 714
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/714 "2010-06-02T23:33:13Z")
Before we progress, please tell me more about how claim that you are totally ignorant of the basic facts about Gaza. Or at least were until a few hours ago. How would you say that matters? You seemed to be quite insistent that it was very important to discuss and showed something about my argument. What would you say it shows about yours? > [@amanset](#): > > including using white phosphorous in an illegal manner, See, this is why it’s important to point out factual errors like claims that Israel certified that it “was not an occupying power”. WP is legal. This is another example where the facts are taking second place to the rhetoric. While it may not have been savory that Israel used WP, it was hardly “illegal” to do so. > [@amanset](#): > > Yet you want to extend the previous discussion about Gaza to include the West Bank so your claims about me being incorrect would be true. … what? No discussion has to be extended. You claimed, in error, that Israel said it was not an occupying power. It doesn’t matter if Israel says it occupies the West Bank or Outer Mongolia, your claim that Israel says it is not an occupying power is false. It would have been correct to say that Israel said it was not occupying _Gaza_. But you didn’t, you said Israel denied it was an occupying power. Period. Full stop. > [@amanset](#): > > You are painfully unaware No, I am aware that why I reject your use of such silly terminology to score rhetorical points. There’s a bit of a difference between “X% of the Gazan population evinces malnurishment in these categories. The health risks are as follows.” and “The Gazans are starving! It’s a humanitarian crisis!” > [@amanset](#): > > vast proportions of the US are suffering from malnutrition. Notice how you’re shifting the language because saying that vast portions of the US are _starving_ is absolutely laughable? _That’s the point._ Likewise, your repeated claims that I am somehow “ignoring” the issue of malnutrition is somewhat odd, as _I cited and quoted it before you did._ > [@amanset](#): > > Call me weird, but I’m going with UNICEF and their experts on the ground, dealing with the situation The WHO has already been cited, showing that your claims are false. You’re using UNICEF when they say that there were, “slightly higher” levels of infectious diseases. But when the WHO says that it was not an epidemic and did not constitute an outbreak and was totally in accord with expected seasonal variations, you continue to rely on UNICEF only. > [@amanset](#): > > The lack of food, medicine, water purifying equipment, building material and whatnot due to Israel’s blockade shows that they are not living up to what an occupier would be expected to do Wrong. We’ve already covered this, in depth. I cited it to you, I quoted it to you, you said you hadn’t ever seen it and didn’t address the numerous caveats. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765)._