# Turkish flagged vessel attack \[What if?--becomes What now?\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 25, 2010, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765 "2010-05-25T23:32:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 958
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2010, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765/958 "2010-06-06T03:37:09Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > You are wasting your time if your mind is so closed that you think that Netanyahu won’t lie to achieve a particular result. The Israelis have ample motiviation to lie about what happened which is why they jammed communications, confiscated everything that everyone owned so the wouldn’t be able to show photographic, video or audio evidence of what happened. If he wasn’t lying and the IDF had nothing to hide, why would they confiscate everything? They basically robbed every passenger. Furthermore, from a cultural point of view, weak and transparent lies from the like of Netanyahu, Oren, Krauthammer & etc are a cultural or, group marker. It is a way of identifying another as an ‘evil-cult’ jew. These lies signify "my commitment to Israel at all costs is so complete I am happy to publicly sacrifice any personal integrity I might have had’. So if you are wondering how on earth anyone believes any of what they say, they don’t believe it, not a word. It is not mere indifference to whether what they say is true. It is a display of pride in zealotry for Israel and the power to have childish lies appear in publications read by adults. The perception of Jewish solidarity is all. The first one is the big lie and all else follows. As identified by Greenwald: > [@](#): > > I had it continuously drummed into my head from the time I was a small child, from every direction, that Israel was special and was to be cherished, that it’s fundamentally good but persecuted and victimized by Evil Arab forces surrounding it, that I am a part of that group and should see the world accordingly. Is this tribal identity which was pummeled into me from childhood – rather than some independent, dispassionate analysis – the reason I find myself perpetually sympathizing with and defending Israel? As adults many people brought up with this doctrine are able to overcome it, but some aren’t. Glad to have helped. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turkish-flagged-vessel-attack-what-if-becomes-what-now/540765)._