# Turns out, my friend's husband is an anti-semitic nutjob **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 24, 2008, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334 "2008-11-24T21:57:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/21 "2008-11-25T04:39:52Z")
> [@ShibbOleth](#): > > IIRC, his “lizard people” included George Bush and Margaret Thatcher. I read it as there are shape-shifter lizard people (it even mentions the TV series “V”) and Jews are among their numbers. I think he’s also called the Queen of England a lizard person, and British royalty is pretty much the gold standard for goyim. He may really mean lizards, he may mean secret Jews. I haven’t come to a firm conclusion either way. ---
**Author:** ![cruel\_butterfly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5daacb/32.png) [@cruel\_butterfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cruel_butterfly)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/22 "2008-11-25T06:34:10Z")
He mentioned the lizard people thing once before very recently, and after I talked to my friend, we both came to the conclusion that it was because he was drunk. This was the Natalie Portman incident, by the way. We were watching _V for Vendetta_ when he said it. The other night when it came up, I jokingly said something like, “Wow! And this when he’s on three quarters of a beer!” Inside, I was thinking, “Hmm…and this, when he’s had less than a beer.” It was then that I decided that I needed to google this weird thing. Something told me that the lizard thing had to have come from the internet, so I was likely to find something. What’s weird is, I’ve watched as my friend (the wife) has changed over the last, I don’t know, five years or so from a very practical thinker to someone who seems to buy into some–and I DO mean “some”–of the shit this guy says. I’m pretty sure I can pinpoint exactly why he builds his life around The Strange And Unusual and she doesn’t. It’s because she actually gets out of the house and goes to a job and interacts with real people while he stays inside the house and flops around on the internet all day. He chooses to isolate himself from the world because it’s “evil,” and he wants to isolate his children from the world. He’s almost got my friend convinced that it’s nothing more than an alternative lifestyle. All this has been coming on for a while, but that Jewish stuff…that pegged my Odd-o-meter. You’d think it’d been pegged way before, but remember, I only listened to him with half my brain. Mr. Butterfly and I agreed that my friend seems trapped in this relationship with a weirdo. Not in the way that battered or otherwise abused spouses are…I don’t feel that she is in physical danger or anything. It’s almost like she’s in a cult. She needs to be deprogrammed, and he needs to get a job. Love my friend like a sister, but I’m more convinced than ever that she’s heading down a road I won’t travel. Oh, and his proof that Angelina Jolie is a lizard person? She was in _Beowulf_ and played a character that shape-shifts from a reptilian creature into human form. Or the other way around. I can’t remember since I read it in high school and haven’t seen the movie. That’s it. And I thought, “so if someone plays a cop in a movie, are they really a cop?” Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![T.Slothrop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3e96dc/32.png) [@T.Slothrop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.Slothrop)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/23 "2008-11-25T07:20:33Z")
Originally posted by FinnAgain: “I don’t see any reason to mince words simply because a racist is a racist.” I disagree. This person is a racist _and_ a lunatic. Do not argue with him, get away from him. I agree with Magiver’s “home” and “migraine” codes. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/24 "2008-11-25T08:50:33Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > What’d Mr. Lizard do, open fire? If something pissed me off enough, I’d say something about it. If Mr. Lizard was actually dangerous enough that he might take a swing at me, far better to get it out in the open at that point so I know not to ever turn my back on him in the future. I don’t think he’s racist, I think he’s batshit crazy. Pour a couple more beers in him and he might tell you what the voices are saying. The guy thinks there are shape-shifting lizards ruling the world and someday he’s going to do something about it. 20/20 hindsight would suggest a trip to the bathroom to look at the medicine cabinet on the way out the door. I’m guessing there’s some interesting drugs there. But that’s exactly what a kosher shape shifting lizard spy would do. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/25 "2008-11-25T09:02:24Z")
Personally, I’d write my friend and say: I love you like a sister, but I’ve come to realize that your husband and possibly increasingly you have started to hold beliefs that are not only offensive but also are the sort of thing that leads to one spending a few years in a mental facility surrounded by men in white coats. And no I will not debate with you whether or not the world is being run by a secret organization of lizard people. I’m sorry, but I can no longer be your friend. If you should ever decide to re-embrace critical thinking, I will of course be available to help you and your children. ---
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/26 "2008-11-25T09:11:24Z")
Personally, In **Mr .Butterfly** ’s shoes, I’d wait 5-10 minutes and then conversationally drop a clear giveaway that I am Jewish myself (something along the lines of “back when my parents were seriously considering moving to Israel…” Even if they never had done anything of the sort.) I Guaran-f\*\*\*ing-tee the look on LizGuy’s face would have been _priceless_. 😃 Then make your excuses and _git_. _ **Fast!!** _ :eek: … But I’m weird 😛 (it comes with the shape-shifting, dontchaknow…) ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/27 "2008-11-25T13:13:03Z")
I guess it’s all relative… we have Dopers (obviously not naming names outside the Pit) who claim that the US’ foreign policy is controlled by Jews. Or that genocide is being committed by the Israelis against a population that has a massive rate of population increase, or what have you. Going one step further and believing in shapeshifting lizards honestly doesn’t seem that much further beyond the pale. Hell, as least it’s _novel_. ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/28 "2008-11-25T14:44:18Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > What’d Mr. Lizard do, open fire? I don’t see any reason to mince words simply because a racist is a racist. And I’m not much for dissembling. > If something pissed me off enough, I’d say something about it. If Mr. Lizard was actually dangerous enough that he might take a swing at me, far better to get it out in the open at that point so I know not to ever turn my back on him in the future. Besides, if he really is that stone-cold racist and his wife does anything other than shun his lunacy, chances are she might ‘let slip’ my ethnic heritage sooner or later anyways. Far better, IMO, to get things out in the open clearly and decisively. I can respect that. But in this case it also really depends on whether he’s run-of-the-mill racist because he’s a dickhead, or whether he’s racist because he honestly believes humankind is being threatened by Sleekstaks disguised as Jews and Angelina Jolie. If the latter, I don’t think I’d want to provoke someone who has shown himself to be a delusional isolationist. For all you know, he has a cache of weapons in the basement in preparation of the Great Invasion and the thought that a lizards has infiltrated his house may set him off in an aggressive display of “self-defense”. > [@FinnAgain](#): > > I guess it’s all relative… we have Dopers (obviously not naming names outside the Pit) who claim that the US’ foreign policy is controlled by Jews. Relative, yes. There’s Mel Gibson crazy and then there’s woowoo-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-woowoo crazy. Mel Gibson may go on an anti-semitic tirade that reminds us that he’s an intolerant, insufferable asshole who thinks Jews rule/ruin the world. But I can’t imagine Mel Gibson seriously making a claim that Natalie Portman is a lizard. The former conspiracy theory is at least grounded in the real world. It’s crazy, but theoretically possible in the same way that the Templar Knights still running around with the Holy Grail makes a story just believable enough to make for a mediocre movie. It’s preposterous, but it’s still at least obeying the laws of physics. Lizards masquerading as people because they have magical shape-shifting abilities… not so much grounded in the real world. Mel Gibson crazy gets a :dubious: Woowoo-buh-buh-buh crazy gets a :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/29 "2008-11-25T14:47:49Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think he’s also called the Queen of England a lizard person, and British royalty is pretty much the gold standard for goyim. He may really mean lizards, he may mean secret Jews. I haven’t come to a firm conclusion either way. A secret organization of lizard people, in turn secretly controlled by Jews ? Who in turn are secretly ruled by Queen Elizabeth ? ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/30 "2008-11-25T14:51:45Z")
I’d be tempted to tell him I’m one of the lizard people, and if he’s nice (and gives me money) I’ll let him in on our secrets. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/31 "2008-11-25T14:57:30Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > A secret organization of lizard people, in turn secretly controlled by Jews ? Who in turn are secretly ruled by Queen Elizabeth ? Sounds plausible. The lizard people would need a lot of flies, and _somebody_ has to control the fly market. ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/32 "2008-11-25T14:57:51Z")
Or leave him anonymous phones messages by talking through an electric fan to get the V voice reverb. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/33 "2008-11-25T15:18:45Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > Relative, yes. There’s Mel Gibson crazy and then there’s woowoo-buh-buh-buh-buh-buh-woowoo crazy. To be honest, the idea that one of the single most persecuted groups, for millenia, has really been controlling the world is akin to Douglas Adams’ bit about the mice, and how they’d periodically allow themselves to be medically experimented upon in order to craftily fool the humans. For me, going from Mice Jews to Lizard Jews isn’t really all that big of a step. Violating the laws of physics seems rather paltry to flagrantly violating all the tenets of common sense, logic and reason. To me “The Jews start all wars!” or “Cheney and Rumsfeld were just witless pawns for the nefarious Jews!” or “A population showing massive growth each and every single year is in the process of being exterminated by World Jewry!” is as insane as “My neighbor is a secret lizard!” But I admit, that’s probably just my idiosyncratic view of things and others can see it differently. ---
**Author:** ![tagos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@tagos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tagos)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/34 "2008-11-25T15:22:41Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I think he’s also called the Queen of England a lizard person, and British royalty is pretty much the gold standard for goyim. He may really mean lizards, he may mean secret Jews. I haven’t come to a firm conclusion either way. When Icke says lizards he means it. He was a former professional footballer turned sports presenter who had a psychotic episode. He’s very sincere and very mad. If he was speaking near me I’d go see him for the entertainment value. ---
**Author:** ![Zabali\_Clawbane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/ecd19e/32.png) [@Zabali\_Clawbane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zabali_Clawbane)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/35 "2008-11-25T15:32:29Z")
There was a fairly recent murder trial of some chick who killed a woman she claimed was a “lizard person”. She meant, shape shifting reptilian alien. CourtTV covered it, I will see if I can find it. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/36 "2008-11-25T15:52:26Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > To be honest, the idea that one of the single most persecuted groups, for millenia, has really been controlling the world is akin to Douglas Adams’ bit about the mice, and how they’d periodically allow themselves to be medically experimented upon in order to craftily fool the humans. Maybe they just aren’t very **good** at world domination. Like a Jewish reptilian version of _Pinky and the Brain_. Or maybe the Christians are frog people ( Jesus being the Hypno-Toad, of course ) and the Muslims beetle people. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/37 "2008-11-25T16:12:51Z")
Icke himself claims he isn’t anti-semitic and I’ve read a couple of his books and didn’t notice any anti-semitism. I don’t recall Jews having any particular special place in the shape shifting space lizard hierarchy. I can’t say I’ve made a thorough study of his beliefs though. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/38 "2008-11-25T16:20:19Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Icke himself claims he isn’t anti-semitic and I’ve read a couple of his books and didn’t notice any anti-semitism. That’s because the lizards run the publishing industry. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/39 "2008-11-25T16:31:22Z")
My take on this? The guy is 34-35. That means he was 9 or 10 years old in 1983. A very impressionalbe age. Also happens to be the year [V: The final battle](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085106/) miniseries was shown on network television. A hidden race of lizard people among us taking over the earth. Scary stuff for a 10 year old. Stuff that can scar you and carry over into adulthood if you’re an unstable 10 year old. In my mind you really have no choice. You have to mess with this guy and convince him you are a lizard person. -Get up from your chair and say “hey, there’s a fly in your kitchen” and go into the kitchen. Return empty handed but pretend you’re chewing something and say “Don’t worry, I got it.” -When sitting in a room choose a seat under an incandesent light and comment “I like to sit under warm lights for some reason”. -Randomly flick your tongue when only he’s watching. -Scratch your arms and say “My skin has been feeling so scaly lately.” ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334/40 "2008-11-25T16:45:48Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Icke himself claims he isn’t anti-semitic and I’ve read a couple of his books and didn’t notice any anti-semitism. I don’t recall Jews having any particular special place in the shape shifting space lizard hierarchy. I can’t say I’ve made a thorough study of his beliefs though. David Icke isn’t _primarily_ an anti-Semite; his thinking isn’t that linear. But he’s ended up as a fellow-traveler to some real assholes. Like Combat 18, (UK neo-Nazis) & the OP’s friend’s husband. Here’s [a slice of Icke](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke): > [@](#): > > Icke believes that Combat 18 is a front for the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which in turn is an “Illuminati front.” The role of the ADL, he says, is to “brand as anti-Semitic” anyone who gets close to “the truth.” In … And the Truth Shall Set You Free, he wrote: “In Britain, I am told by an extremely reliable source very close to the intelligence organisations that the “far-right” group, Combat 18, is a front for the sinister Anti-Defamation League, the United States arm of the Israeli/Rothschild secret service, Mossad. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has been operating in Britain and Europe since at least 1991 and its role is to brand as anti-Semitic anyone who is getting close to the truth of what is going on. What better way to discredit an investigator than to have a “far-Right” group like Combat 18 to praise them?” There–that clears things up! Tales of the reptilian Illuminati make good camouflage for the old, tired story of Jew-hating. Who knows what’s really going on in Icke’s head? But the OP tells us what the friend’s husband said. Which this lapsed Catholic Irish-American Texan finds totally unacceptable. I hope the OP has a good, long talk with her friend. And I hope that the kids are \*not \*homeschooled. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/turns-out-my-friends-husband-is-an-anti-semitic-nutjob/474334.md?page=3)