# TV actors who have succeeded in creating two very different memorable characters within a few years **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 9, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546 "2009-12-09T01:49:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/81 "2009-12-11T19:15:30Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Speaking of Al Swearengen on _Deadwood_, creator/writer/producer David Milch’s first choice for the role was Ed O’Neill. I don’t know how far they got in negotiations or if O’Neill ever auditioned. > > My understanding from various articles I read and the commentary is that they went with McShane for two reasons: > > 1- O’Neill wasn’t that interested since he didn’t need the money, wanted to spend time with his teenaged daughters before they left the house, didn’t want to live in (wherever it was filmed) several months a year, and was kind of tired of TV after having spent 11 years as Al Bundy, and consequently his salary and time demands were huge (I don’t think prima-donna so much as “I’m only interested if it’s an absurdly good offer”) > > 2- HBO and backers were afraid _Married With Children_ had typecast him (especially since his _Deadwood_ character is a misogynistic selfish drolly funny bastard named Al) > > so it never came to be. However, O’Neill is an excellent actor- just seeing him in _Wayne’s World_ which was on TV yesterday when he’s playing a very dark character [as comic relief] you don’t think of Al Bundy. It would have been really interesting to see if he could have shaken off the Bundy curse with the Swearengen cussing. It wasn’t really memorable but Ed O’Neill did play Joe Friday in an updated version of “Dragnet” after “Married..with Children”. The series is only noteworthy today because Eva Langoria (“Desperate Housewives”) plays a detective several times in the second season. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/82 "2009-12-11T19:55:32Z")
Ricardo Montalban - from machiavellian Khan Noonian Singh in \*Star Trek \*to mysterious, supernatural Mr. Roarke in \*Fantasy Island \*to Senor Senior Senior in _Kim Possible_. 🙂 Also, Leonard Nimoy went from logical Spock in \*Star Trek \*to master of disguise Paris in _Mission Impossible_. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/83 "2009-12-11T20:34:48Z")
> [@Clark\_K](#): > > What is the point of simply listing actors who have had multiple mundane roles over the years. > > Yes, Harry Morgan played a generic cop and later created the memorable Col. Potter. Yes, Tony Danza has played multiple characters named Tony. So what? Lots of actors have had more than one succesful part. > > The question is, who has created multiple _memorable_ characters. > > I love Michael Chiklis but I don’t think even he qualifies for this because The Commish wasn’t memorable. > > I think Michael Hall does meet the criteria because both David and Dexter are so original and vivid. YMMV. > > Bea Arthur may have done it. Maude was certainly memorable and I suppose whatsername from Golden Girls was, too. > > Lucille Ball never did it. She just played the same character over and over. > > Let’s raise the bar a little bit, people! Maybe you should present us with a list of shows you found memorable, so that we may properly satisfy your criteria? ---
**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/84 "2009-12-11T21:16:58Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Another thread got me to thinking about _Due South_. I present [Callum Keith Rennie](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0719678/). His role as Detective Stanley Raymond Kowalski ended in 1999, so let’s include that show & look at his TV roles through this year. > > … > > Sometimes I’ll see him & think “boy, he’s gotten a lot more weathered since Ray Kowalski.” Then he’ll smile… Gotta love that smile! But we can’t bring up CKR without mentioning his Due South partner, Paul Gross. Paul went from upstanding Mountie in “Due South” to actually crazy theatre director in “Slings and Arrows” and stayed utterly believable. The only thing that Constable Benton Fraser and Geoffrey Tennant had in common (besides being Canadian) was a bad habit of seeing ghosts, and even that was pulled off in different ways. Paul’s current role as Darryl Van Horne is pretty distinct as well, although he occasionally reminds me of the Geoffrey. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Jones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/96bed5/32.png) [@Cat\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Jones)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/85 "2009-12-11T21:22:11Z")
I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade but surely the point about Helen Mirren and Ian McShane is that they are NOT “TV actors” ? They’re classically trained. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/86 "2009-12-11T21:40:38Z")
> [@Cat\_Jones](#): > > I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade but surely the point about Helen Mirren and Ian McShane is that they are NOT “TV actors” ? They’re classically trained. The parade’s doing just fine. By “TV actors” I think the OP meant “Actors on TV”–in order to exclude movie roles. Besides, quite a few actors working on TV _have_ had formal training. Even if that training wasn’t in Olde England. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/87 "2009-12-11T21:50:23Z")
There’s Howard Hessman as Dr. Johnny Fever and the teacher from Head of the Class. ---
**Author:** ![Clark\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c77e96/32.png) [@Clark\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clark_K)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/88 "2009-12-14T01:48:51Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Maybe you should present us with a list of shows you found memorable, so that we may properly satisfy your criteria? Didn’t mean to come across as so crotchety. My point was simply that a lot of actors have multiple roles, even meaty ones. It’s the rare actor who meets the OP’s criteria – very different, memorable and within a few years. Dr. Johnny Fever \_ memorable. Guy from “Head of the Class” \_ not so much. Hugh Laurie is a great example of someone fulfilling all the criteria. His earlier characters may be a bit on the cult side and unfamiliar to most viewers, but they were still memorable. And there’s no denying Gregory House is also memorable and markedly different. Neil Patrick Harris (Doogie Howser and Barney Stinson) would be a good example, but there was an awfully long gap between the roles. Twelve years, I think. So forgive my attitude. I was just saying people should ask questions about HOW their suggestions meet the OP’s criteria. ---
**Author:** ![Martini\_Enfield](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/martini_enfield/32/11123_2.png) [@Martini\_Enfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martini_Enfield)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/89 "2009-12-14T02:03:50Z")
> [@Clark\_K](#): > > Hugh Laurie is a great example of someone fulfilling all the criteria. His earlier characters may be a bit on the cult side and unfamiliar to most viewers, but they were still memorable. And there’s no denying Gregory House is also memorable and markedly different. I think what you meant to say was _“His earlier characters may be a bit on the cult side and unfamiliar to most **American** viewers…”_ Hugh Laurie is extremely well known in the UK, Australia, and NZ (and, one presumes, Canada) for his earlier comedic work, not only _Blackadder_, but also _Jeeves & Wooster_ and _A Little Bit Of Fry & Laurie_. Lots of people- myself included- don’t primarily think of him as Dr. House (although I agree he’s an outstanding actor in the role and deserves all the credit and acclaim he gets for it.) ---
**Author:** ![BrassyPhrase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@BrassyPhrase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrassyPhrase)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/90 "2009-12-14T03:19:21Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Hugo Weaving: Agent Smith vs Elrond, anyone? Not to mention Mitzi in Priscilla[URL=“[The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert (1994) - IMDb](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109045/)”]. Everything I’ve seen him in since then, I’ve thought “That can’t be Mitzi!” ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/91 "2009-12-14T03:53:08Z")
Thomas Gibson. Greg Montgomery, a comic role, in “Dharma and Greg” to Aaron ‘Hotch’ Hotchner, the deadpan profiler, on Criminal Minds. Edited to add: And how about Mandy Patinkin, who has among other things been a doctor, a grim reaper, and a profiler as well. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546/92 "2009-12-14T05:43:35Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Thomas Gibson. Greg Montgomery, a comic role, in “Dharma and Greg” to Aaron ‘Hotch’ Hotchner, the deadpan profiler, on Criminal Minds. Shortly before he was Greg he was the closeted bisexual husband on _Tales of the City_, also a very different role. (Shortly before that he lived in my back yard pretty much- he was a member of the Alabama Shakespeare Festival repertory company.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tv-actors-who-have-succeeded-in-creating-two-very-different-memorable-characters-within-a-few-years/520546.md?page=4)