# TVAA banned. Anyone know why? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 11, 2003, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329 "2003-12-11T11:08:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Denis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5e9695/32.png) [@Denis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Denis)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/101 "2003-12-12T06:14:32Z")
I was banned for a meltdown. Short story: I made a snide remark. Someone took exception and shot back at me. Unfortunately, what prompted me to make the snide remark was a very painful period in my life, and the thread in question reminded me of it. I freaked out, becoming abusive, jerkish, assholish, and a very sloppy dresser. I was very quickly banned by **Lynn** , and deservedly so. My posting privelges were restored after I apologised to the board in general and one poster in particular. The happy part of this tale is that I gained some valuable insight into how **un** resolved my feelings were about my “issue.” I took a good, hard look at myself and did some emotional “housecleaning.” The banning was a needed “smack upside the head” for me to get my shit together regarding this issue so I could have some **peace**. Please don’t think I’m portraying myself as “New and Improved!,” I do, however, think I’m a tiny bit wiser than I was regarding some of my own limits and boundaries and how to handle them. I think the word I’m looking for may be: proportion. Sorry for the hijack. To the OP: **TVAA** seemed to me to be a pretty smart guy with a very bad habit of looking down his nose at people he didn’t agree with. A jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/102 "2003-12-12T06:28:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gyan9 \* > Define ‘sound reasoning’. I won’t provide a definition, as epistemology is a rather broad topic. However, at a minimum sound reasoning would involve consistency with the rules of valid inference (i.e. sound logic) and (probably) the avoidance of logical fallacies. Although what is or is not a logical fallacy is subject to debate at the margins. (At the same time, I should repeat that I was stressing a respect for empirics as opposed to reasoning in my post. Still, good scholarship will often involve both, with prominant exceptions obtaining such as mathematics, pure scientific theory (sometimes) and much of analytic philosophy.) ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/103 "2003-12-12T13:53:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Rooves \* > \*\ ***elf6c** , something tells me that you’re the first born child in your family. > > Why? > > Because you seem to have a strict adherance to the rules without question. You seem to despise anyone who questions the very rules that sustain your existance. > > I could be wrong, but only in the case that you’re an only child or were raised as one. \*\* **Rooves** your new found obsession with me is cute, but misplaced. I am sorry you got your hand slapped earlier, but you need to move on. If you want to see what lies ahead for you if you keep up your misplaced sense of persecution, read this thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=228825](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=228825) ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/104 "2003-12-12T15:14:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by matt\_mcl \* > I would like to quote the redoubtable **Esprix** : > > > [@](#): > > > > When they came for me… well, actually, they never did come for me. Know why? 'Cause I didn’t behave like a jerk on the boards, you fucking morons! Highly ironic, in light of the fact that Esprix was just suspended for something that was considered to fall under the category of acting like a jerk. So I think his confidence and arrogance were maybe just a bit misplaced, no? ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/105 "2003-12-12T15:20:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IzzyR \* > \*\* Highly ironic, in light of the fact that Esprix was just suspended for something that was considered to fall under the category of acting like a jerk. So I think his confidence and arrogance were maybe just a bit misplaced, no? \*\* [/QUOTE] Linkety Link? If you have the time, of course. I would like to see that thread. I must admit the sentiment of the post was admirable, even if it is now proving slightly ironic. Also, the construction and pacing of the post were quite exemplary. Thanks! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/106 "2003-12-12T15:59:40Z")
Am I only the authoritarian fascist asshole who thinks there should be more bannings? There are a number of individuals that do nothing to the fighting of anyone’s ignorance, including their own. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/107 "2003-12-12T16:08:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by furt \* > \*\*Am I only the authoritarian fascist asshole who thinks there should be more bannings? \*\* Nope. Haj ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/108 "2003-12-12T16:15:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > Linkety Link? If you have the time, of course. I would like to see that thread. > [@](#): > > [\*Originally posted by Lynn Bodoni \*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4297898#post4297898) > Go flame and joke somewhere else. You may write to me in a week’s time, and I’ll consider restoring your privileges. Until then, I’m not opening any email from you. > > Lynn > For the Straight Dope > > (How many times am I gonna have to suspend people before it sinks in that I MEAN no joke threads in the pit?) > [@](#): > > [\*Originally posted by Lynn Bodoni \*](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4298255#post4298255) > It’s IMPOSSIBLE for me to post a listing of every single rule, but most are just extensions of “Don’t be a jerk”. I think that the “No joke threads in the Pit” is such an extension…people are expecting a rant, and they are jerked around a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/109 "2003-12-12T16:18:48Z")
Check the OP in that **Esprix** thread, looks like he’s been reinstated. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/110 "2003-12-12T16:48:56Z")
Thank you **IzzyR** - off to read the thread. ---
**Author:** ![II\_Gyan\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bbe5ce/32.png) [@II\_Gyan\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/II_Gyan_II)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/111 "2003-12-12T17:52:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by flowbark \* > \*\* > However, at a minimum sound reasoning would involve consistency with the rules of valid inference (i.e. sound logic) and (probably) the avoidance of logical fallacies. \*\* You just shifted the burden to another term “valid inference”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/112 "2003-12-12T18:29:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by furt \* > \*\*Am I only the authoritarian fascist asshole who thinks there should be more bannings? There are a number of individuals that do nothing to the fighting of anyone’s ignorance, including their own. \*\* Be careful what you wish for. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/113 "2003-12-12T18:55:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by IzzyR \* > > Highly ironic, in light of the fact that Esprix was just suspended for something that was considered to fall under the category of acting like a jerk. So I think his confidence and arrogance were maybe just a bit misplaced, no? What a rip-off. 😉 I hit on this last night, _and_ made a reference to **elf6c** ’s Declaration of InDopendence. ---
**Author:** ![SisterCoyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@SisterCoyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SisterCoyote)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/114 "2003-12-12T19:00:24Z")
**IzzyR** Suspended is not banned, and I don’t know that Esprix is around right now to defend himself, though he has been reinstated. Just sayin’ What was this thread about again? ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/115 "2003-12-12T19:19:53Z")
Someone who has already been forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2003, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/116 "2003-12-12T19:31:26Z")
Unless you look at the thread title. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/117 "2003-12-13T01:53:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gyan9 \* > You just shifted the burden to another term “valid inference”. Hm. I don’t think so. (I would prefer my fuller quote, “Rules of Valid Inference”, which is the definition of “Logic”.) ## And I don’t see how the underlying point that I was making - that good argument involves both reason and information - is particularly controversial. I am not aware of any controversy in philosophy regarding the fundamental rules of logic, although I trust that it exists. More to the point, it is seldom that I see substantive disagreements on this board that are based upon epistemological issues (unless the topic itself is philosophical). So I don’t see what you’re getting at. And the spirit of your question eludes me. And (to repeat) this was a subpoint of my argument anyway: I had difficulties with **TVAA** ’s empirics, more than his reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Train\_Song](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@Black\_Train\_Song](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Train_Song)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2003, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/118 "2003-12-13T03:34:19Z")
**elf** (may I call you elf?), I don’t feel persecuted whatsoever. You just seem to go around quoting the rules like passages in the bible. It’s whiney and childish. It seems to be your way of being antagonistic while holding onto the apron strings of your friendly neighborhood mod. Grow up. Then you take in further by predicting what will happen to me if I don’t change my tune by equating me to someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Train\_Song](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4da419/32.png) [@Black\_Train\_Song](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Black_Train_Song)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/119 "2003-12-13T03:35:52Z")
IT ---
**Author:** ![Uncommon\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Uncommon\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uncommon_Sense)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2003, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329/120 "2003-12-13T07:06:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CnoteChris \* > \*\*Hahaha! > > This board is about saying the right thing. \*\* Good one! [puts hand up to accept “high-five”] --that seems to often be the case. I thought we couldn`t start “\*\*why did xhatwit get banned \*\*” types of threads? I think I got yelled at for doing that a while back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tvaa-banned-anyone-know-why/218329.md?page=7)