# Twin Peaks Episode 5, Open Spoilers! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 5, 2017, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151 "2017-06-05T02:05:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Small\_Hen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@Small\_Hen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Hen)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/21 "2017-06-07T03:13:23Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > How does that make evil-Cooper the real thing? _Shrug_ Process of elimination? He’s the only other Cooper, save for Dougie, who’s now a golden sphere. Probably I’m wrong, I’m basically just guessing here, and we’ll see if my thoughts hold up now that the key is headed up to Twin Peaks. If the town residents themselves start interacting with Dougie-Cooper, I will a) be very happy and b) recant my guess. ---
**Author:** ![Sefton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Sefton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sefton)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/22 "2017-06-07T04:13:20Z")
> [@Small\_Hen](#): > > I don’t think Dougie-Cooper is the real Cooper - he’s a dream. My theory is, we’re being Mulholland Drive-ed. I was heartbroken by the plot twist in Mulholland Drive, and I can see why you might be concerned about Dougie-Cooper. But if Dougie isn’t real, I can’t imagine who might be dreaming him. Also, we’ve seen Cooper chase his doppelganger into the Red Room, and 25 years later, we saw him leave the Red Room and take Dougie’s place. If all of that was a dream, I think we can conclude that the doppelganger isn’t real either. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 10:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/23 "2017-06-07T10:59:35Z")
It just hit me. The key must be the missing thing that the log lady told Hawk about. She also mentioned a link to Hawk’s heritage. Casinos? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/24 "2017-06-07T12:56:57Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > She also mentioned a link to Hawk’s heritage. Casinos? Uh, I hope the show doesn’t make “casinos” the answer to “Native American/Indian heritage”. I mean…yes, but I hope it is something a little more specific to Hawk’s older heritage. Do we even know what tribe he’s descended from? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/25 "2017-06-07T13:06:06Z")
> [@Small\_Hen](#): > > I don’t think Dougie-Cooper is the real Cooper - he’s a dream. My theory is, we’re being Mulholland Drive-ed. Have we seen the key arrive back in Twin Peaks? I assume we will learn everything is real once the hotel gets its key back. By the way, I told my wife that this season feels like an 18-hour cut of a movie that has zero deleted scenes. I mean, some of the scenes could have been edited to be more effective to. I jokingly predict the following scene in the next couple episodes: [Secretary brings Ben Horn the mail, including the key] [Ben Horn opens the mail, sees the key] Ben Horn: Huh. [long pause] I haven’t seen a key like this in…over 20 years. Hey… [calls his brother or something] Ben Horn: Hey, I just got a key in the mail. Room ###. Wasn’t that FBI agent who disappeared staying in that room? Yeah…Dale Cooper. Well, his key just showed up in the mail after 25 years. Didn’t he go missing? [later in the episode, the FBI agents get a call. Gordon Cole picks up.] Gordon Cole: THEY FOUND WHAT? A KEY? FROM THE NORTHERN HOTEL? COOPER’S ROOM? OK! THANKS! This will take 7-8 minutes of an episode while we all think to ourselves, “Yes, we get it. They are learning that Cooper might be out there somewhere else. Move on.” Saying all of this, I still love this show. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/26 "2017-06-07T13:32:59Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Uh, I hope the show doesn’t make “casinos” the answer to “Native American/Indian heritage”. I mean…yes, but I hope it is something a little more specific to Hawk’s older heritage. Do we even know what tribe he’s descended from? Oh, I also hope that’s not it. I was half joking, but it is Lynch. Thinking about it, I think she said that he would find the missing thing due to his heritage, so “casino” doesn’t quite fit. The casino wouldn’t help him find the key. So the question is how would his heritage help him find the key? The key would almost certainly be found by a hotel employee, not a Sheriff’s deputy. Maybe he has a parent who works for the post office, or works at the hotel. It’s still kind of ridiculous to refer to that as “heritage” but hey, what do expect from a log? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/27 "2017-06-07T13:40:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Have we seen the key arrive back in Twin Peaks? I assume we will learn everything is real once the hotel gets its key back. > > By the way, I told my wife that this season feels like an 18-hour cut of a movie that has zero deleted scenes. I mean, some of the scenes could have been edited to be more effective to. I jokingly predict the following scene in the next couple episodes: > > [Secretary brings Ben Horn the mail, including the key] > > [Ben Horn opens the mail, sees the key] > > Ben Horn: Huh. [long pause] I haven’t seen a key like this in…over 20 years. Hey… > > [calls his brother or something] > > Ben Horn: Hey, I just got a key in the mail. Room ###. Wasn’t that FBI agent who disappeared staying in that room? Yeah…Dale Cooper. Well, his key just showed up in the mail after 25 years. Didn’t he go missing? > > [later in the episode, the FBI agents get a call. Gordon Cole picks up.] > > Gordon Cole: THEY FOUND WHAT? A KEY? FROM THE NORTHERN HOTEL? COOPER’S ROOM? OK! THANKS! > > This will take 7-8 minutes of an episode while we all think to ourselves, “Yes, we get it. They are learning that Cooper might be out there somewhere else. Move on.” > > Saying all of this, I still love this show. It hasn’t arrived as of the most recent episode. I think when it does it will lead to more than them thinking that Cooper might still be out there. In an earlier post I outlined how I think it may lead them directly to Cooper, or at least to Dougie Jones’ house. > [@davidm](#): > > Google tells me that the PO returns keys in an envelope. That means that there will be a postmark and fingerprints may be preserved. > > I predict the following sequence of events, or something similar. > > Tamara has discovered that evil-Cooper’s fingerprints are wrong. Then the key shows up with a Vegas postmark, someone recalls that it’s from Cooper’s old room and they then find his prints on it. > > They also find Jade’s prints. Being a prostitute, her prints are on file with local law enforcement. She tells them that she dropped the possessor of the key “Dougie” at a casino. The casino’s limo driver recalls the housing development and the red door… ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Hen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@Small\_Hen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Hen)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/28 "2017-06-07T15:25:30Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > This will take 7-8 minutes of an episode while we all think to ourselves, “Yes, we get it. They are learning that Cooper might be out there somewhere else. Move on.” > > Saying all of this, I still love this show. It’s weird, though - while I’m occasionally frustrated with the (nonexistent) pace of the episodes, I’m never really _bored_ with it. I couldn’t even tell you why, but I can’t look away from it. **Sefton** : If the doppleganger also isn’t real, then the only person who could be dreaming them would be Cooper himself, so it would have to be yet another version we haven’t met yet, and the more I say, the more I hope this isn’t the case. It’s just that all of the Dougie-C stuff reminds me so much of other “It’s meant to be a dream” movies of Lynch like Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, and Mulholland Drive. ---
**Author:** ![AllShookDown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d9b06d/32.png) [@AllShookDown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllShookDown)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/29 "2017-06-07T17:29:46Z")
There’s a scene in season one where Hawk is going out to look for something (I think it was the one-armed man) and Cooper asks Truman, “Tracker?” Truman replies, “The best.” Maybe that’s the heritage connection? And maybe that already played out when he was out in the woods with his flashlight? ---
**Author:** ![AllShookDown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d9b06d/32.png) [@AllShookDown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllShookDown)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/30 "2017-06-07T17:30:57Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > It hasn’t arrived as of the most recent episode. I think when it does it will lead to more than them thinking that Cooper might still be out there. In an earlier post I outlined how I think it may lead them directly to Cooper, or at least to Dougie Jones’ house. And who would remember which room he was in? Audrey. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/31 "2017-06-07T18:14:06Z")
> [@Small\_Hen](#): > > It’s weird, though - while I’m occasionally frustrated with the (nonexistent) pace of the episodes, I’m never really _bored_ with it. I couldn’t even tell you why, but I can’t look away from it. Absolutely. If this is David Lynch and Frost’s 18-hour unedited-down movie, then so be it. I wish I had the strength to wait and binge it all in 9 2-hour sessions, but after 26 years, I was too eager to see it. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/32 "2017-06-07T19:35:05Z")
> [@Small\_Hen](#): > > It’s weird, though - while I’m occasionally frustrated with the (nonexistent) pace of the episodes, I’m never really _bored_ with it. I couldn’t even tell you why, but I can’t look away from it. > … Lynch is as much about the journey as he is about the destination. Even if he never actually reaches a destination, you still enjoy the ride. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/33 "2017-06-08T03:11:41Z")
> [@AllShookDown](#): > > There’s a scene in season one where Hawk is going out to look for something (I think it was the one-armed man) and Cooper asks Truman, “Tracker?” Truman replies, “The best.” Maybe that’s the heritage connection? And maybe that already played out when he was out in the woods with his flashlight? And the later comment by Cooper, “Hawk, if I’m ever lost, I hope you’re the man they send to find me.” ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/34 "2017-06-08T14:32:56Z")
This just occurred to me yesterday, so I haven’t been paying attention, but does the new series follow the original series’ conceit were every episode (well, almost episode) depicted all the events of a single 24-hour day, with the next episode set the very next day? ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/35 "2017-06-08T16:29:09Z")
Was that done on the original series? I never noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Hen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@Small\_Hen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Hen)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/36 "2017-06-08T18:04:21Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > And the later comment by Cooper, “Hawk, if I’m ever lost, I hope you’re the man they send to find me.” And as far as Hawk’s heritage goes, he was the person who told Cooper the legend of the Black and White Lodges in the original series, wasn’t he? I mean, that’s a pretty simple explanation, but I don’t suppose everything has to be complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/37 "2017-06-08T20:23:14Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Was that done on the original series? I never noticed. Yes, for the most part, every episode was one day and the following episode would be the next day. There were however a few exceptions (such as the first episode after the Laura Palmer murder was solved - they obviously jumped ahead several days. Or the cliffhanger between seasons when Cooper was shot. Season two picked up right afterwards. But I didn’t remember that until yesterday (after I’d seen all the new episodes). I know there’s a lot of fan speculation that we are jumping around to various points in time, but I realized the last episode starts with Cooper/Dougie being shoved off to work in the morning and then ends with him at the end of the work day. ---
**Author:** ![AllShookDown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d9b06d/32.png) [@AllShookDown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllShookDown)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/38 "2017-06-08T21:34:15Z")
I’d been wondering about the daily timeline, too. Someone elswhere commented that Annie and Cooper would only have known each other for a few months. I said it was more like a week because of the 1ep = 1 day, and that got me wondering if the new episodes are the same way. I think they are. ---
**Author:** ![delphica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9a140/32.png) [@delphica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/delphica)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/39 "2017-06-12T02:22:56Z")
I am lagging behind – the new episode is out and I just wrapped up #5. So I will put my quick thoughts here. If the key is the lost thing, maybe it is the Great Northern that is related to Hawk’s heritage, because the hotel has that whole fake Northwest tribal feeling to it – so not so much Hawk’s actual heritage, but related to the fact that his heritage has been appropriated. Agreed that Dougie is wearing thin, especially because it doesn’t seem like he is making any progress – I was hopeful when he recognized the coffee, I was expecting that more clues from his past would start falling into place … but this is so slow. Of course, why would I assume that Lynch would be concerned with any sort of linear progression? I am wondering if Dougie is where the “soul” or “heart” (or however Lynch/Frost view that) of Cooper is, due to the flickers of recognition, or at least reverberation, with the coffee, the files, I think probably the statue of the guy with the gun. And he seems moved by Dougie’s son. And then maybe his brain, or intellect, is in Evil Cooper (we need a better name for him), along with Killer Bob? I’m still unclear if all this time Killer Bob had access to Cooper’s own memories, or if he was just winging it. He certainly has his memories now, and might have enough of Actual Cooper to convince, or at least semi-convince, Albert and Gordon, that he’s at least Sort Of Cooper. In episode 3, when he’s in the eyeless lady room, the number on that steampunk-looking portal changes from 15, when he first arrives, to 3 when he comes back down the ladder, so I’m thinking that’s why he’s not all in one place. A note: if I ever work in a prison, or any other sort of creepy, dangerous place, I am definitely going to insist that all work spaces be extremely well-lit. Onward to episode 6 … since there seems to be a small, but dedicated group of us watching, maybe we should ask the mods to combine these threads into one, and use the “spoilers for episodes as they air” approach. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151/40 "2017-06-12T03:02:24Z")
I’m going to disagree with your suggestion about combining episodes. The show is available to stream for some people, so some could be quite far behind and want to discuss what they’ve just watched without risking glimpsing spoilers for other episodes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-episode-5-open-spoilers/788151.md?page=1)