# Twin Peaks Returns - Parts 3 and 4 (Open spoilers! Enter at your own risk if you haven't seen them!) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 22, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217 "2017-05-22T17:19:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Sefton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@Sefton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sefton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/61 "2017-05-27T22:40:31Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > I thought the purpose of the glass cube was obvious. It seems like I’m the only one who thinks so, so I’m probably wrong, but I’ll proceed to hold forth on it even so. > > Cooper and evil-Cooper were meant to switch places after 25 years, that’s been more or less stated. The glass cube was built, probably by evil-Cooper or someone working for or with him, to intercept Cooper on his way back to Earth and divert him to that spaceship thing, where he was supposed to remain trapped. That makes sense, but it looked like Cooper kept falling through space after the cube ejected him. It didn’t look like the cube changed his trajectory. Also, that doesn’t explain why the owner hired Sam to just sit and watch the cube. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/62 "2017-05-27T23:45:59Z")
His trajectory through space wouldn’t have to make sense to us. These are technologies and forces are beyond our understanding (and this is Lynch after all…). As to someone watching the cube; maybe they wanted to know if and when Cooper (or anything else) passed through, or maybe the people who were hired purportedly to watch were actually meant to satisfy the hunger of that other thing if it did pass through. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/63 "2017-05-28T00:13:43Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Dr. Jacoby. He was very odd in the original, but he wasn’t living under those conditions and he made his living as either a psychologist or psychiatrist, I’m not sure if it was ever made clear which; and you’re right that Laura was a patient of his. She was apparently also his lover, or at least he was infatuated with her and she teased him. He also had an obsession with Hawaii. > . \*Everyone \*was in some kind of relationship with Laura, it seemed. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/64 "2017-05-28T18:11:35Z")
Hi. I found this thread through a Twin Peaks fan group, so I thought I’d do what I can to shed a little light on the new episodes. The title says Open Spoilers!, so I assume that’s sufficient warning. > [@davidm](#): > > Anyone else think that that cup of coffee is going to bring Cooper out of his stupor? It was the first thing I thought when she set the mug on the table. Am I remembering correctly that the first time we saw him drink coffee in the original, he spit it out but liked it? Cooper loved his coffee. “Black as midnight on a moonless night.” He spat it out once, because it was crazy hot, during the rocks and bottles scene. He also may or may not have spit coffee out after “You’ll never guess. There was a fish… in the percolator.” > [@](#): > > Was the eyeless woman supposed to be Josie Packard? She was credited as Naido in the end-credits. > [@davidm](#): > > I may be mistaken about it being the first time, but I distinctly remember him spitting out a first sip of a fresh cup and then declaring it to be “damn fine coffee”. He tried it, smiled, and then delivered the “damn fine cup of coffee” line. > [@Sefton](#): > > It looks like the One-Armed Man is serving as The Man From Another Place. Too bad. Al Strobel can’t match Michael J. Anderson’s charm. Michael J. Anderson will probably never work in show business again, and he’ll certainly never work on a David Lynch project. After he didn’t receive the vast sums of money he wanted for this season of Twin Peaks, Anderson posted this: “He totally did NOT rape his own underage daughter and then write a television series about it. She totally has NOT lived under a DEATH THREAT from her own father, all her life if she ever told. He NEVER had his ‘best friend’ murdered. And he DEFINITELY NEVER suggested to me that I should kill myself! There’s a whole bunch of other stuff he never did either.” The best friend is Jack Nance (Pete from the original series) who died in 1996 after a fight outside a doughnut shop. > [@](#): > > At the end of Ep 4, Gordon and Albert mention a woman they need to talk to. I assume that’s Annie Blackburn. Most people believe that this will be Diane, the woman Cooper dictated all of his tape recordings in the first two seasons. Other candidates are Annie (though Heather Graham isn’t on the published cast list), Sarah Palmer (evidently a heavy drinker and has psychic abilities, and Audrey Horne (Cooper’s almost-love-interest back in the day). > [@RivkahChaya](#): > > Peggy Lipton is going to make one appearance. If you got that from the credits on IMDB, don’t trust them. Once the cast list was published, every name got either a 1 or an 18 for the number of episodes they’d appear in. Nobody knows how many episodes anyone’ll be in, except the production crew and the actor in question (and they’re not telling). > [@Sefton](#): > > When the police investigated the apartment, they found the librarian’s head and the headless body of an unknown obese man. We know that the Medical Examiner couldn’t read the man’s fingerprints because the records were classified. We also know that the person Cooper has replaced (Dougie Jones) was obese and had disappeared for days. Was that Dougie Jones’ headless body in the apartment? Best guess at this time from the fandom is that it’s Major Briggs. If so, the condition of the corpse after 25 years seems remarkably fresh, so there’s also the question of whether the good Major actually died in the fire 25 years ago. > [@Don\_Draper](#): > > I am trying not to read too much into any particular oddities, but I did think there was something a little too coincidental in Deputy Bobby Briggs (who would have thought that??) remarking he had to pee badly, and then Cooper/Dougie shown dancing up and down as he had to pee. There was also a scene in the original run where Harry and Cooper were discussing police business, and Cooper said, “Harry, I really have to urinate.” > [@davidm](#): > > But I did find that scene a bit confusing as there seemed to be two things missing from that box instead of just one bunny. Maybe I’m forgetting something from the original? Was that box of chocolate mentioned before? While Cooper was going over the evidence in the first season, he said into his tape recorder, “Diane, I’m holding in my hand a box of chocolate bunnies.” > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Does anyone know if the actor playing the young FBI agent is Lynch’s girlfriend? I raised an eyebrow when she was described as “barely 30”; looking her up, her birth year is not on Wikipedia–but she graduated high school sometime before 1997. There’s quite a bit of ages not quite matching up. Evil Cooper had his birth year listed as 1973, which would have made Cooper 16 years old when he investigated Laura Palmer’s death. Of course, that could be a fake document he created. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > What’s up with the red & blue glasses guy(Laura’s therapist, I think) and his spray painted gold shovels? Lynch being Lynch. Still though, the delivery of the shovels was the first real-world scene of the new episodes, and the original is routinely referred to as “groundbreaking”. Another idea is that Lynch literally entertained us by letting us watch paint dry. I wanted to save my comments about Tammy, the female FBI agent who briefed Gordon and Albert, for last. It may also help clarify what time the new episodes take place in. References to her are not only spoilers for the new season, but they’re also spoilers for another project, so I’ll go ahead and spoiler box them. In Mark Frost’s book, _The Secret History of Twin Peaks_, Tammy (Special Agent Tamara Preston, or “TP”) has access to huge quantities of information directly related to the people and events she’s investigating in the show. But in the show, she doesn’t seem to know any of it. This might mean that the events of the new episodes happened before she read the dossier (which was near the end of 2016). Or it might mean that Frost’s book isn’t canon. Or it might simply mean that she hasn’t been able to discuss it with Gordon yet. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/65 "2017-05-28T20:34:25Z")
Interesting! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/66 "2017-05-28T21:56:12Z")
Interesting post, **GreysonCarlisle**. I was curious about your Jack Nance claims so I did some googling. Wikipedia seems to confirm your donut shop story, for whatever that’s worth. It has some other interesting things to say about his life. > **[Jack Nance](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Nance)** > > Marvin John Nance (December 21, 1943 – December 30, 1996), known professionally as Jack Nance, was an American actor. A longtime collaborator of filmmaker David Lynch, Nance portrayed the lead in Lynch's directorial debut Eraserhead (1977). He continued to work with Lynch throughout his career which included a recurring role as Pete Martell on Twin Peaks (1990–1991). > Marvin John Nance was born in Boston to Hoyt and Agnes Nance; he grew up in the Oak Cliff neighborhood of Dallas. Hoyt Nance was a... > [@](#): > > Nance married Catherine E. Coulson in 1968, but the couple divorced in 1976. In May 1991, he married Kelly Jean Van Dyke (who worked in the adult film industry under the name Nancee Kelly). Van Dyke was the daughter of Jerry Van Dyke, briefly making Nance his son-in-law. So. If Wikipedia is to be believed, he was once married to the log lady, then later married to the pornstar daughter of Jerry Van Dyke! ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/67 "2017-05-28T23:51:45Z")
Yup, Pete used to be married to the Log Lady… You might also try the film [_I Don’t Know Jack_](http://www.jacknance.com/) if you’re interested in the life of Jack Nance. He was an interesting guy! ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/68 "2017-05-30T18:57:27Z")
> [@erysichthon](#): > > The storyline that has me baffled is Dr. Jacoby and the shovels that he’s spray-painting gold. I can’t imagine why he’d be doing this. > > The shovels were delivered in factory packaging, suggesting that they are special in some way—otherwise, why couldn’t he buy shovels from a local hardware store? > > Gold shovels are traditionally used for groundbreaking ceremonies, but I doubt that’s why he’s painting them. And why does he need so many of them? 😕 > > ETA: Didn’t see **Mahaloth** ’s post before I hit the button. Dr. Jacoby wore the red/blue glasses throughout the original series, but I don’t think it was ever explained. My initial reaction to Dr. Jacobi getting all those shovels was that it was foreshadowing of things to come: there will be a need for many shovels because a good many holes (i.e., graves) will be dug in the near future. Why he is spray painting them gold however, I cannot fathom. ---
**Author:** ![delphica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9a140/32.png) [@delphica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/delphica)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/69 "2017-05-31T18:14:27Z")
Here are my random thoughts about the series so far … 1. I am enjoying it a lot! But at the same time, it feels like much of my enjoyment is coming from reflected back on the first Twin Peaks. I am not sure I would be interested in this if it was a brand-new Lynch project. 2. I 100% think the casino issues are because David Lynch doesn’t care how casinos work now (and good for him, I support this, I don’t care how casinos work either). Cooper/Dougie is told he has to get change, but then in the close-up shots, we see the machines all accept bills. And I’m pretty sure that the casino doesn’t need a reason to ask someone to stop playing, so all the anxiety on the part of the casino employees about paying out his winnings wasn’t based on the real world. 3. I like having Bobby Briggs as a deputy. A lot of the cops I know were in fact huge cut-ups as teenagers. It felt both melodramatic and poignant to me when he was surprised and emotional at seeing Laura’s photo. 4. Ugh on the whole Wally Brando thing. That was stupid. 5. I love the return of Albert. If anything, I wish he was meaner, he seems to have mellowed in his old age. I was a little confused, though, about what he was telling Gordon Cole about having given information to Agent Jeffries (every time he comes up, I get sad about Bowie) … but I am having a hard time believing for even a second that Albert would have taken any calls, let alone revealed information, related to Jeffries and Cooper, without telling Gordon immediately. 6. I love how Gordon knows something is seriously not right about evil-Cooper, and he is sad about it. 7. I am not loving the gender dynamics in this, especially with Tammy the young, hot, tight-skirt wearing FBI agent that other agents are gawping at. This feels so dated. I guess it’s not surprising – if Lynch isn’t keeping up with casino technology, why do I think he would keep up with women in the workplace – but it’s still disheartening. Overall, this is light on female characters, both in number and substance. I am hopeful this might improve, after all, these are not four episodes of a typical TV show, and things could change. 8. I remain confused, and yet hopeful we will learn more, of what exactly was going on with evil-Cooper and Jeffries and Major Briggs. Was he tricking them into thinking they were helping real-Cooper? Or were one or both of them also becoming evil, or acting against their will? Mysteries. ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/70 "2017-05-31T22:20:33Z")
> [@delphica](#): > > … > Cooper/Dougie is told he has to get change, but then in the close-up shots, we see the machines all accept bills. > … He was told to get change because they thought he wanted to make a phone call, so whether or not the slot machines accepted bills isn’t relevant. They thought he needed coins for a payphone. ---
**Author:** ![AllShookDown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d9b06d/32.png) [@AllShookDown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllShookDown)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/71 "2017-06-01T12:42:53Z")
Bobby told Dr. Jacoby during family couseling he didn’t want to sell drugs but Laura made him. He also claimed he never did drugs. I don’t recall anyone saying \*when \*Major Briggs died. Just that “Cooper” was the last one to see him alive. He could have died somewhat recently. Who are Mr. Todd and Peter? It looks like that was an office in Vegas. And who’s the “she” who’s been hired? By whom and for what? It sounds like Evil Coop forced that. Is it a reference to Tammy Preston getting the assignment from Cole? So the “253” appears to have been the time the switch was to have taken place. I forget what the other number was. But “253” was “time and time again” so maybe something else is going to happen at 2:53 someday. ---
**Author:** ![delphica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9a140/32.png) [@delphica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/delphica)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/72 "2017-06-01T15:28:40Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > He was told to get change because they thought he wanted to make a phone call, so whether or not the slot machines accepted bills isn’t relevant. They thought he needed coins for a payphone. That’s so funny you point that out, because I took that immediately as a metaphor, that they assumed he was desperate to gamble. The payphone is certainly a more straightforward option! ---
**Author:** ![delphica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9a140/32.png) [@delphica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/delphica)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/73 "2017-06-01T15:35:35Z")
> [@AllShookDown](#): > > I don’t recall anyone saying \*when \*Major Briggs died. Just that “Cooper” was the last one to see him alive. He could have died somewhat recently. That was perplexing to me as well. And Bobby is working in the Sheriff’s office, where I would think people would periodically be wondering “hey, wasn’t it weird that time that FBI agent literally disappeared and no one has seen him since?” and that Bobby wouldn’t have mentioned that his father saw Cooper after the time he was supposed to be disappeared, because surely I think Sheriff Truman, or Hawk, would have wanted to follow up on that. But then that, combined with Albert casually (well, maybe not “casually” but certainly “after-the-fact”) mentioning Jeffries being in touch with him, makes me ponder if I am wrong – maybe the residents of Twin Peaks and other involved people don’t think Cooper mysteriously disappeared, but have some other, less-remarkable, understanding of what happened to him. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_Draper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Don\_Draper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_Draper)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/74 "2017-06-04T03:44:39Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I’m intrigued by the multiple-timelines possibility, especially after watching a certain other recent and prominent pay-cable show. But if the Wrangler was too recent, IDK. > > Episode 3 was my favorite of the four that have aired. The other three were also good, but that one was truly stellar IMO. The opening act was completely bizarre and surreal, in a really cool way; but the rest of that same episode was actually about as comprehensible in terms of plot as anything we’ve been presented with thus far. Here’s something someone just told me at dinner tonight that completely got by me: when Cooper appears in the box (ep. 2), that moment synchs with the time that Sam and Tracy are discovering that the guard has disappeared. If you follow Cooper then on his voyage into the other dimension and his encounter the eyeless woman, she makes a slashing motion with her hand across her neck, as if she is beheading herself. If you time Cooper’s movements until then, it is the same amount of time to when Sam and Tracy get killed (and beheaded apparently). Ergo, when the woman is mimicking slashing herself, Sam and Tracy are getting beheaded at that same moment. Oh, how I’ve missed over-analyzing this show! ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/75 "2017-06-04T07:34:15Z")
Related to Cooper and the glass box: when he’s in the glass box and it starts physically moving back and forth (or at least that’s the illusion) it makes a banging noise. Then, when he’s in the “spaceship”, or whatever the hell it is, we several times hear a banging noise, including right before the woman says that her mother is coming. On my first viewing, I assumed that the banging in the spaceship was something trying to break a door down or maybe break through a wall. I think that’s what most people thought. After watching it again, I think it’s the same banging noise that the glass box made. So maybe it’s something being sent there via either the glass box in NYC, or a different one elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![AllShookDown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d9b06d/32.png) [@AllShookDown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllShookDown)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217/76 "2017-06-05T21:50:04Z")
> [@Don\_Draper](#): > > I am trying not to read too much into any particular oddities, but I did think there was something a little too coincidental in Deputy Bobby Briggs (who would have thought that??) remarking he had to pee badly, and then Cooper/Dougie shown dancing up and down as he had to pee. I saw that as a callback to the original episode (2?) when Cooper says, “Harry, I _really_ have to urinate.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/twin-peaks-returns-parts-3-and-4-open-spoilers-enter-at-your-own-risk-if-you-havent-seen-them/787217.md?page=3)