# Two and a 1/2 Men -Season Debut **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830 "2011-09-19T15:17:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/21 "2011-09-20T03:25:14Z")
What was the Dharma and Greg joke? ---
**Author:** ![gwendee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@gwendee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gwendee)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/22 "2011-09-20T03:36:51Z")
They were bitter and snipey towards eachother. The delivery guy was Pete from Dharma and Greg. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/23 "2011-09-20T03:45:28Z")
Echoes of the final episode of _Fresh Prince_ when the Banks’ sold their house and the potential buyers included Arnold and Philip Drummond and it sold to George and Louise Jefferson. > [@gwendee](#): > > They were bitter and snipey towards eachother. Specifically, Greg basically told Dharma to cut the New Age flakiness about the feng shui and energy of the room because his working 80 hrs. per week is what would pay for it, and he threatened her with divorce at which point she swore she’d take him and his family for everything they had. Thomas Gibson has really aged. (I know he’s currently on a show but it’s not one I watch so I hadn’t seen him in a while.) ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/24 "2011-09-20T03:51:27Z")
> [@gwendee](#): > > The delivery guy was Pete from Dharma and Greg. Pete from “Dharma & Greg” was played by Joel Murray, who is Bill Murray’s younger brother. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/25 "2011-09-20T03:55:22Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > It must not have been a closed set, or maybe Lorre didn’t care if the secret got out. I thought it was pretty harsh, but at least Charlie didn’t suffer. It wasn’t closed. A guy I work with was at the taping and told us what happened (we didn’t care about being spoiled) a while ago and it was exactly as the episode played out. ---
**Author:** ![Cubsfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/26 "2011-09-20T04:26:59Z")
I guess I am watching it now. It came on the TV here in the hotel. Ashton Kutcher can’t really play any character other than Kelso can he? It’s kind of distracting watching him be stupider and stupider as the show goes on. ---
**Author:** ![Claire\_Beauchamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ec9cab/32.png) [@Claire\_Beauchamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Claire_Beauchamp)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/27 "2011-09-20T09:54:56Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > So was John Stamos supposed to be Jesse? No … when talk about the show going on without Sheen started, the first big rumor was that John Stamos would play the replacement. It evidently never had any truth to it – the first Stamos heard of it was as a rumor, not an official overture. So, having him in a cameo was a nice little wink to the rumor mill. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/28 "2011-09-20T10:55:18Z")
Shouldn’t they be upping the fraction on the fat kid? ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/21825_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/29 "2011-09-20T11:37:39Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Ashton Kutcher can’t really play any character other than Kelso can he? That was my thought also. And what was the deal with him being naked multiple times in the episode? Is his pixellated ass now a plot device? I haven’t enjoyed this show since the Candy arc played out. I expect the whole thing will crash and burn sooner rather than later. But first, can we push the kid in front of a train, too? Even for a sitcom kid, he’s disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![BubbaDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bubbadog/32/333_2.png) [@BubbaDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BubbaDog)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/30 "2011-09-20T12:27:17Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > There was a vanity card. It was a picture of 3 cans, whatever that means. From a Charlie Sheen interview where he talks about Lorre - “I’ve spent, I think, I don’t know, the last decade, I don’t know, effortlessly and magically converting your tin cans into pure gold and the gratitude I get is this charlatan chose not to do his job, which is to write.” ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/31 "2011-09-20T12:41:54Z")
Personally, I think the pixillated scenes of Ashton Kutcher were hilarious and I think it would be pretty funny to frequently use it as a ‘thing’ that the show does. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/32 "2011-09-20T12:49:39Z")
> [@FairyChatMom](#): > > But first, can we push the kid in front of a train, too? Even for a sitcom kid, he’s disgusting. At $300,000 _per episode_ guaranteed for the next two seasons…he’s not going anywhere. To the best of my knowledge he’s still the highest paid child actor by a long shot. I’m guessing his salary was part of the reason they didn’t just let Charlie take the show down with him. 15 million for one kid is a lot to not at least try to re-coop. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/33 "2011-09-20T12:54:09Z")
Because of Sheen I never had seen the show before, so I tuned in for about half of it out of curiosity. Parts were amusing but the entire presentation just didn’t flow like I expected, it was more set up after set up, etc. and most surprisingly a laugh track straight from the 80s. I really thought it would be snappier, edgier, more like Modern Family or Parks & Recreation or something. It wasn’t bad and I’ll probably tune in again but it did seem kinda… dated. ---
**Author:** ![Hogfather65](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/7bcc69/32.png) [@Hogfather65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hogfather65)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/34 "2011-09-20T13:07:51Z")
Watched it and soooo disapointed - Bring back Charlie - he was the show. 1 and a half men and a ghost. ohhh Man! ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/35 "2011-09-20T13:08:44Z")
Well, I thought Ashton’s first intro, with Alan spilling Charlie’s ashes, was hysterical. Best line was the delivery guy’s “It’s from a crematorium. That kinda limits the options.” ---
**Author:** ![Sally\_Mander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e56c9b/32.png) [@Sally\_Mander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sally_Mander)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/36 "2011-09-20T13:11:57Z")
Little help, please? I’ve only watched this show off and on over the years, and missed most of the last season. Why is Alan still broke? His ex-wife is remarried, so he’s not paying alimony, right? He’s a chiropractor, and should be making decent money. Why was he still living with Charlie, and why is his only option now to move in with his mother? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/37 "2011-09-20T13:13:07Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > most surprisingly a laugh track straight from the 80s. Both Charlie Sheen and Demi Moore were hot in the 80’s and hot their slots filled by Ashton Kutcher. (Sorry, the 80’s comment reminded me of that.) > [@](#): > > I really thought it would be snappier, edgier, more like Modern Family or Parks & Recreation or something. It wasn’t bad and I’ll probably tune in again but it did seem kinda… dated. Yeah, it’s a very different style of show then either of those, if you can deal with Charlie you might want to watch some re-runs if you’re thinking about watching the upcoming season. Just for some background on some of the jokes that I’m guessing will be recycled. I imagine until this show gets up and running on it’s own it’ll still rely on the last few seasons. I don’t think anyone would be all that amused if this was the first episode they watched. Things like Rose (the widow) are a very, very, very long running gag. All the girls at the funeral, the references to Charlie drinking (sitting on the couch, me talking, you in a bottle) etc. Hopefully they don’t drag that out too long. But like I said, if you’re going to watch the upcoming season, it might do you some good to catch a half dozen reruns of so. They’re on all the time so it shouldn’t be hard. Also, as I mentioned above, based on what I saw, I get the feeling they’re trying to tone it down a bit. The older seasons were a bit ‘edgier’ at least WRT the topics covered. Not many other sitcoms involved hiding naked unconscious hookers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/38 "2011-09-20T13:15:28Z")
> [@Cubsfan](#): > > Ashton Kutcher can’t really play any character other than Kelso can he? He was fine in THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT; it’s possible he can only be _ **funny** _ playing Kelso. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/39 "2011-09-20T13:16:41Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > I thought the old girlfriends at the funeral were great. Even though I saw both their episodes, I never made the connection that Charlie has banged both a Borg and a Cylon. Nice. > [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > Pete from “Dharma & Greg” was played by Joel Murray, who is Bill Murray’s younger brother. Both he and Jenna Elfman have been on 2.5 Men before as regular characters as well. Though I don’t think Jenna had the necessary qualifications to attend the funeral. > [@YoSaffBridge](#): > > Little help, please? I’ve only watched this show off and on over the years, and missed most of the last season. > > Why is Alan still broke? His ex-wife is remarried, so he’s not paying alimony, right? > He’s a chiropractor, and should be making decent money. Why was he still living with Charlie, and why is his only option now to move in with his mother? He’s still paying child support (Jake isn’t 18 yet), and there have been a few episodes showing that his practice is pretty terrible. I think he’s paying alimony to his second wife (Candy) as well. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/40 "2011-09-20T13:30:19Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Both he and Jenna Elfman have been on 2.5 Men before as regular characters as well. Though I don’t think Jenna had the necessary qualifications to attend the funeral. Jenna appeared as a young widow who was fighting her rich in-laws for the custody of her daughter. She had a one-night stand with Allen before going to live with her brother in Seattle. She was a very Dharma-like character (can SHE play anyone but the perky, smart-but-ditzy blonde?) who should have been brought back. But I did love the Dharma & Greg cameo, particularly when Thomas Gibson did the blowing-out-my-brains gesture at the end. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830.md?page=3)