# Two and a 1/2 Men -Season Debut **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830 "2011-09-19T15:17:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/81 "2011-09-21T20:30:58Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > 1- Is Martin Mull a recurring character or was this a cameo? He’s been in several episodes. Not quite enough to count him as even a semi-regular. > [@](#): > > 2- In a couple of eps Alan is moving in with his girlfriend/his son’s friend’s mother. Obviously that fell through, but the show is shown out of sequence in syndication. Anyone know what happened? The Courtney Thorne-Smith character? Alan accidentally burned her house down. She and her son had to move in with Charlie. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/82 "2011-09-21T21:25:27Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > I saw > > Jerri Ryan > Jennifer Taylor > Katherine LaNasa > Martin Mull > > at the funeral. Katherine LaNasa was the realtor that Charlie was dating that reminded everyone but Charlie of his mother. I couldn’t place the two actresses that claimed Charlie gave them herpes and vaginal warts. Herpes reminds me of the Witch Charlie was dating. BTW, shouldn’t all the women at the wedding have been calling their OB-Gyn for an appointment? Actually they should have quarantined the whole county and started testing everybody.🙂 BTW, I don’t remember seeing the pizza delivery guy at the funeral. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/83 "2011-09-21T21:29:18Z")
I had no love for 2 & 1/2 :o, but I find that I like the Kuchman. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/84 "2011-09-21T22:42:06Z")
> [@JoelUpchurch](#): > > Katherine LaNasa was the realtor that Charlie was dating that reminded everyone but Charlie of his mother. > > I couldn’t place the two actresses that claimed Charlie gave them herpes and vaginal warts. Herpes reminds me of the Witch Charlie was dating. > > BTW, shouldn’t all the women at the wedding have been calling their OB-Gyn for an appointment? Actually they should have quarantined the whole county and started testing everybody.🙂 > > BTW, I don’t remember seeing the pizza delivery guy at the funeral. Vaginal warts was Tricia Helfer, herpes was Jodi Lyn O’Keefe (yes, she was the witch who was terrified when she found out Evelyn was Charlie’s mother) and spanked while wearing her panties was Liz Vassey. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/85 "2011-09-22T22:41:55Z")
I enjoyed the episode. (I have all the available seasons on DVD, so I suppose that you could call me a big fan of the show.) The writing has suffered in the past few seasons, but I still like the characters. I intend to continue watching, to see how they develop the “Walden Schmidt” character. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/86 "2011-09-22T23:34:08Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Just what AuntiePam said. Him and Rose got married. She caught him flirting and he ‘slipped’ in front of a train. Don’t worry, he didn’t suffer, he exploded like a balloon full of meat. Did Charlie & Rose actually get married, or did he just propose to her? 😕 If they were married, even for a day, she’d have some kind of involvement in the estate (likely getting at least part of the house instead of Alan getting everything). It would provide an excuse to keep her on as a recurring character though. > [@Cubsfan](#): > > I guess I am watching it now. It came on the TV here in the hotel. > > Ashton Kutcher can’t really play any character other than Kelso can he? It’s kind of distracting watching him be stupider and stupider as the show goes on. > [@FairyChatMom](#): > > That was my thought also. And what was the deal with him being naked multiple times in the episode? Is his pixellated ass now a plot device… I don’t care how stupid his character is all long as he keeps getting naked. 🆒 Demi Moore is so fucking lucky. I’m a little surprised they didn’t sneak in a gay joke when Judith & Jake walked in on him hugging Alan (Wow Alan, you can do alot better than I expected). > [@muldoonthief](#): > > …He’s still paying child support (Jake isn’t 18 yet), and there have been a few episodes showing that his practice is pretty terrible. I think he’s paying alimony to his second wife (Candy) as well. I dont think Alan’s paying anything to Kandi. She’s a succesful actress (on that crime show) and signed all her rights away the second she realized _she_ could end up paying alimony _to Alan_. He’s just the butt monkey and a huge miser, cheapskate, and mooch when it comes to money. > [@Joey\_P](#): > > She’s the one that tried to get all the Big Bang guys into a giant 4 way (Dr Elizabeth Plimpton). She’s also already been on 2.5 men (not that it matters, Chelsea was Jennifer Taylor’s 4th character on the show). They missed a golden opportunity to have Taylor sitting in several different places in differend dress & hairstyles during the funeral. Cue Gail (Tricia Helfer) looking around confused. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/87 "2011-09-22T23:56:22Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Did Charlie & Rose actually get married, or did he just propose to her? 😕 If they were married, even for a day, she’d have some kind of involvement in the estate (likely getting at least part of the house instead of Alan getting everything). It would provide an excuse to keep her on as a recurring character though. Yes, they supposedly got married. The whole “they got married, then she killed him” thing is ridiculous. They really couldn’t have found a better way to get rid of Charlie? The whole Lorre/Sheen spat is ridiculous. Yes, there are giant egos involved, but money in Hollywood is supposed to trump that, isn’t it? Apart from paying the reported $25M to Sheen in a settlement, the show also is never going to be as popular as it was before. > [@](#): > > I dont think Alan’s paying anything to Kandi. She’s a succesful actress (on that crime show) and signed all her rights away the second she realized she could end up paying alimony to Alan. I must have missed an episode or two - I don’t remember this at all. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2011, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/88 "2011-09-23T12:21:50Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Did Charlie & Rose actually get married, or did he just propose to her? 😕 If they were married, even for a day, she’d have some kind of involvement in the estate (likely getting at least part of the house instead of Alan getting everything). It would provide an excuse to keep her on as a recurring character though. > [@Terr](#): > > Yes, they supposedly got married. The whole “they got married, then she killed him” thing is ridiculous. They really couldn’t have found a better way to get rid of Charlie? Rose never said they got married in her eulogy. She said he proposed, and they were vacationing in Paris, but no one in that episode said Rose & Charlie were married. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/89 "2011-09-24T22:20:05Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > He’s still paying child support (Jake isn’t 18 yet), and there have been a few episodes showing that his practice is pretty terrible. I think he’s paying alimony to his second wife (Candy) as well. Doesn’t the kid live with him? Why is he paying child support? I’ve never watched a full episode of this show, and don’t really care for the bits & pieces I’ve seen, but sounds like I’ll need to catch a rerun or something of this episode to see the Dharma & Greg part. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2011, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/90 "2011-09-24T22:28:55Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Doesn’t the kid live with him? Why is he paying child support? The bits and pieces I’ve seen show that he lives with his dad only part time. He splits time at his mother’s house as well. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/91 "2011-09-27T17:58:57Z")
I am fan of the show, and I thought the writer did a good job with the transition. But if the episodes are going to be anything like the one last night, I will stop watching fast. It was terrible. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/92 "2011-09-27T18:01:57Z")
Totally concur. Jon Cryer is trying desperately, but even his weak bladder wasn’t worth a chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/93 "2011-09-27T18:08:30Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > I am fan of the show, and I thought the writer did a good job with the transition. But if the episodes are going to be anything like the one last night, I will stop watching fast. It was terrible. The writers are doing the best they can. The problem is Charlie Sheen was the load-bearing wall of the show. You remove it, the show is going to collapse, no matter how good the writers are. Chuck Lorre’s ego killed the show. I think the man, in general, is brilliant. Nevertheless, in expelling Sheen he made a huge mistake. Of course, he won’t own up to it. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/94 "2011-09-27T19:07:04Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Chuck Lorre’s ego killed the show. I think the man, in general, is brilliant. Nevertheless, in expelling Sheen he made a huge mistake. Of course, he won’t own up to it. He may have saved Sheen’s life by firing him. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/95 "2011-09-27T19:29:21Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The writers are doing the best they can. The problem is Charlie Sheen was the load-bearing wall of the show. You remove it, the show is going to collapse, no matter how good the writers are. Hugh Grant could’ve handled it. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/96 "2011-09-27T19:34:08Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > He may have saved Sheen’s life by firing him. It’s not his job to “save Sheen’s life”. It’s his job to produce great sitcoms for my enjoyment. ---
**Author:** ![JoelUpchurch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f05b48/32.png) [@JoelUpchurch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoelUpchurch)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/97 "2011-09-27T20:16:22Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > The writers are doing the best they can. The problem is Charlie Sheen was the load-bearing wall of the show. You remove it, the show is going to collapse, no matter how good the writers are. I think that wall was going to collapse whether he got fired or not. Charlie Sheen was looking pretty bad list year. I’m curious to see what they do with Judy Greer. She was the only endurable part of Mad Love. It might be interesting to make her relationship with Walden a focus of the show. It looks like Melanie Lynskey is still a character on the show, but she is Rose anymore, but has a different name. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/98 "2011-09-27T21:52:45Z")
Nice “16 Candles” shout out, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/99 "2011-09-27T22:05:44Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Chuck Lorre’s ego killed the show. I think the man, in general, is brilliant. Nevertheless, in expelling Sheen he made a huge mistake. Of course, he won’t own up to it. That’s nonsense; Charlie Sheen self-destructed. Ironically, though, he was only able to do so because of the vast amounts of money he made from this show. I don’t think he was nearly as rich before the series started. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830/100 "2011-09-27T22:24:01Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Doesn’t the kid live with him? Why is he paying child support? The kid only lives with him 26 weeks out of the year, and even then only for a half-hour each week. He had a really bad divorce lawyer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-and-a-1-2-men-season-debut/596830.md?page=6)