# Two lights **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 15, 2015, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572 "2015-12-15T22:40:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_stainless_steel_rat/32/5727_2.png) [@The\_Stainless\_Steel\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Stainless_Steel_Rat)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/21 "2015-12-16T00:36:57Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > “There are **four** lights.” Damn you, sir, I so wanted to post that. So I’ll settle for the you tube clip: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdGhMRBbzY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAdGhMRBbzY) The two lights in my world are Amsel and Coors. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/22 "2015-12-16T01:20:44Z")
Well, I know there is a Paradise - it’s over by the dashboard light. I know there is a light - it is of the silvery moon. There is a soft light thru yonder windows. of which lights do you speak? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/23 "2015-12-16T02:16:57Z")
To quote Robert E Howard “There is no light but darkness, no god but evil, no hope but doom.” ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/24 "2015-12-16T04:08:04Z")
_Ex Ignorantia Ad Sapientiam; Ex Luce Ad Tenebras_ ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/25 "2015-12-16T04:45:53Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I think those are the headlights of the car that’s about to whack you. That’s why your mother told you not to play in the road. “That maniac is trying to run over me! Jesus, take the wheel!” ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/26 "2015-12-16T05:33:00Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Yeah, biblically it’s the Sun and Moon, the greater to rule the day and the lesser to rule the night. Not sure why anyone should care, though. Well, that is typical of a primitave society, but now we have scientific knowledge that contradicts this: the moon produces no light at all; it just reflects the light from the sun. Yet another error in the ‘inerrant’ Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/27 "2015-12-16T05:51:19Z")
> [@Teachtru](#): > > Is anyone here aware of the two lights that God has presented to mankind? Telling us… the Antichrist is coming by sea? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/28 "2015-12-16T06:24:22Z")
Fluorescent and LED. Satan uses incandescent. The heat, you know. ---
**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/29 "2015-12-16T06:24:23Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > Well, that is typical of a primitave society, but now we have scientific knowledge that contradicts this: the moon produces no light at all; it just reflects the light from the sun. Yet another error in the ‘inerrant’ Bible. So you’re claiming that you know better than NASA? > [@](#): > > Not so long ago, before electric lights, farmers relied on moonlight to harvest autumn crops. With everything ripening at once, there was too much work to to do to stop at sundown. A bright full moon—a “Harvest Moon”—allowed work to continue into the night. [http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/28sep\_strangemoonlight/](http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/28sep_strangemoonlight/) Or perhaps you know better than the astronomers at Cornell University. > [@](#): > > The amount of light received by the Earth from the Moon depends not only upon the amount of light the Moon gives off, but also how far the Earth is from the Moon. The farther the Moon, the smaller the fraction of the Moon’s light that reaches Earth. I should add, however, that while this is a significant effect, all full moons are large and bright, so it’s difficult to tell the difference without being able to look at a perigee and apogee full moon side by side. [http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/46-our-solar-system/the-moon/observing-the-moon/129-why-do-the-size-and-brightness-of-the-full-moon-change-intermediate](http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/46-our-solar-system/the-moon/observing-the-moon/129-why-do-the-size-and-brightness-of-the-full-moon-change-intermediate) Or perhaps you know better than Neil de Grasse Tyson. > [@](#): > > The Moon is almost as bright as the suburban streetlight that you may be standing under–yet it looks that bright after sunset for everybody on Earth. It creates shadows, “drowns” out the light of thousands of normally visible nighttime stars, inhibits the view of seasonal meteor showers, and aids in burglaries. > **[Merlin's Tour of the Universe](https://books.google.com/books?id=G_58UqFp1YIC&pg=PT37&lpg=PT37&dq=%22How%2BBright%2Bis%2BMoonlight?%22&source=bl&ots=ZlzuACaAaH&sig=ceESTAaPPwvVzWRZb4VXaicaqvg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj87qGd3t_JAhUM6oMKHQeaAE8Q6AEIOjAF#v=onepage&q=%22How%20Bright%20is%20Moonlight%3F%22&f=false)** > > From the #1 New York Times bestselling author of Astrophysics for People in a Hurry comes a fascinating guide to the most popular questions about the universe.In Neil de Grasse Tyson's delightful tour of the galaxies, his fictional character Merlin... Since you are so much wiser than everybody else, perhaps you can explain how an imaginary light creates shadows. ---
**Author:** ![Mikahw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Mikahw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mikahw)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/30 "2015-12-16T09:05:24Z")
If this God guy wanted the moon to be a light that ruled the night, why did he make it orbit the planet so that it appears during the day half the time? Another hilarious design flaw. And don’t get me started on why he’d create something as pointless as Mercury. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/31 "2015-12-16T09:31:26Z")
OP was obviously referring to [Two Lights State Park](http://www.maine.gov/cgi-bin/online/doc/parksearch/details.pl?park_id=28) here in Maine. If you like lobster, [The Lobster Shack](http://lobstershacktwolights.com/) is the place to be. Me? I hate lobster. Maybe that’s why I’m an atheist. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/32 "2015-12-16T10:39:21Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Telling us… the Antichrist is coming by sea? Oh, _very_ nice. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/33 "2015-12-16T10:39:41Z")
> [@Flyer](#): > > So you’re claiming that you know better than NASA? > > [http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/28sep\_strangemoonlight/](http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/28sep_strangemoonlight/) > > Or perhaps you know better than the astronomers at Cornell University. > [http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/46-our-solar-system/the-moon/observing-the-moon/129-why-do-the-size-and-brightness-of-the-full-moon-change-intermediate](http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/about-us/46-our-solar-system/the-moon/observing-the-moon/129-why-do-the-size-and-brightness-of-the-full-moon-change-intermediate) > > Or perhaps you know better than Neil de Grasse Tyson. > > [Merlin's Tour of the Universe: A Skywatcher's Guide to Everything from Mars ... - Neil deGrasse Tyson - Google Books](https://books.google.com/books?id=G_58UqFp1YIC&pg=PT37&lpg=PT37&dq=%22How+Bright+is+Moonlight?%22&source=bl&ots=ZlzuACaAaH&sig=ceESTAaPPwvVzWRZb4VXaicaqvg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj87qGd3t_JAhUM6oMKHQeaAE8Q6AEIOjAF#v=onepage&q=%22How%20Bright%20is%20Moonlight%3F%22&f=false) > > Since you are so much wiser than everybody else, perhaps you can explain how an imaginary light creates shadows. :smack: Do you understand the difference between reflecting light and emitting its own light? I mean, you couldn’t have missed it if you just included the _very next paragraph_ in your Tyson cite. Or, you know, if you thought for a moment about what happens during a new moon. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/34 "2015-12-16T11:18:06Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Do you understand the difference between reflecting light and emitting its own light? I think everyone here understands that difference. The point is that there’s nothing in the biblical reference to the moon as “a light” that equates to any kind of claim about the ultimate source of the light received from the moon. So mocking the biblical reference to the moon as “a light”, just because the moon is not “luminous” in the modern physical sense of “light-emitting”, is rather silly. The moon is in fact a bright object from which we receive light, which appears to be all that the text is saying. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/35 "2015-12-16T12:23:54Z")
Surely one of them would be the light fantastic? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/36 "2015-12-16T12:27:31Z")
> [@don\_t\_ask](#): > > Surely one of them would be the light fantastic? trippy man - ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/37 "2015-12-16T12:36:16Z")
> [@don\_t\_ask](#): > > Surely one of them would be the light fantastic? That would be turtley different. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/38 "2015-12-16T12:42:16Z")
Your mom has two lights. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/39 "2015-12-16T13:30:10Z")
> [@Teachtru](#): > > Is anyone here aware of the two lights that God has presented to mankind? Jesus Christ, you’re not coming back, are you? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-lights/740572/40 "2015-12-16T13:41:32Z")
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