# Two prisoners escape using tactis similar to Escape from Alcatraz. I predict a movie very soon. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 7, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858 "2015-06-07T03:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/61 "2015-06-10T02:48:26Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Right up until they kill you and take your money and car, sure, they’re kinda powerless. You forgot about the sodomy. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/62 "2015-06-10T16:01:45Z")
I knew prison escapes had dropped significantly. But the statistics are almost negligible now. Currently only one escape per 10,000. NY recaptures most escapees in less than a half day. > **[Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More](https://news.yahoo.com/)** > > The latest news and headlines from Yahoo News. Get breaking news stories and in-depth coverage with videos and photos. > [@](#): > > Nationwide, the number of prison escapes has dropped sharply, from 100 inmates per 10,000 in the 1980s to one per 10,000 today, Peterson said. > [@](#): > > The two escaped inmates from a New York maximum security prison have far outlasted the typical jailbreak period, according to experts and corrections data, as state and federal authorities were hunting them for the fifth straight day on Wednesday. > [@](#): > > In other New York state prison escapes, freedom lasted less than six hours for 60 percent of the 30 inmates who succeeded in fleeing in the last decade, according to data from the New York Department of Corrections and Community Supervision. The longest escape lasted just three days. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/63 "2015-06-10T23:26:11Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > A female employee has “been removed from her post” and taken in for questioning. Prompting the ear worm of Ice Cube’s “Check Yo Self,” thank you. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/64 "2015-06-11T01:33:48Z")
So what kind of sentence will the female employee receive (in terms of actual time served)? ---
**Author:** ![Dibbs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Dibbs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dibbs)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/65 "2015-06-11T01:41:28Z")
I wonder if they got 'em on any CCTV cameras? It couldn’t hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/66 "2015-06-11T02:06:56Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > So what kind of sentence will the female employee receive (in terms of actual time served)? Ironically, at this point she’s probably hoping the two escapees don’t get caught. Without them, the case against her is probably mostly circumstantial. But if they get caught, the state will make a deal with them to testify against her. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/67 "2015-06-11T02:42:10Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Wow, hacksaws through 3/8 inch steel plate all the way around a man-sized air vent. That must have taken forever. Then again, time was something they had in spades. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/68 "2015-06-11T04:35:14Z")
According to the reliable posts of Gawker, one of the guys probably just used his massive penis to tunnel his way out. ---
**Author:** ![willthekittensurvive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@willthekittensurvive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/willthekittensurvive)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/69 "2015-06-11T13:54:29Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Ironically, at this point she’s probably hoping the two escapees don’t get caught. Without them, the case against her is probably mostly circumstantial. But if they get caught, the state will make a deal with them to testify against her. what kind of deal can you offer someone who allready got a life sentence? isnt anything you offer is only a reward for breaking out? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/70 "2015-06-11T14:21:47Z")
If they kill some one else, she is going to be in a world of hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/71 "2015-06-11T15:22:03Z")
I’m thinking she’s lucky she bailed on driving the getaway car. I’m guessing there’s a pretty good chance they would have killed her once she outlived her usefullness. (In Soviet prison camps in Siberia there was a concept of a “walking supply” when escaping from prison. You convince some stooge fellow prisoner to be part of your escape and if need be you killed and ate him when food ran low.) But once she did bail, they were kind of winging it after that. It’s surprising that they managed to hold out this long altogether after escaping with no car in a very sparsely populated area (you would think had they stolen a car it would be known by now). I wonder why there seems to be an assumption that the two guys stayed together after the escape. I would think it would make sense for them to split up so as to be less noticeable. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/72 "2015-06-11T15:58:57Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > It’s surprising that they managed to hold out this long altogether after escaping with no car in a very sparsely populated area (you would think had they stolen a car it would be known by now). > > I wonder why there seems to be an assumption that the two guys stayed together after the escape. I would think it would make sense for them to split up so as to be less noticeable. Steal one from a house whose owners have gone on vacation. Yes, I should think they would split up. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/73 "2015-06-11T16:24:06Z")
I assume the state police have already checked every car registered in town, or every car owned by anyone who is a part-time town resident. (Although I doubt that there’s anyone who keeps a second home in Dannemora.) And I’m wondering at the idea of cutting through the 3/8" thick steel wall with a hacksaw. I imagine they must have needed multiple blades, as each one wore down to nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/74 "2015-06-11T21:35:00Z")
I’m not so sure it’s a good idea for the police to release to the mass-media that they’re closing in on them (latest: bloodhounds have picked up the trail). I’m as interested as the next guy, but ISTM that this might get them to do something rash and violent. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/75 "2015-06-11T23:31:28Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I’m not so sure it’s a good idea for the police to release to the mass-media that they’re closing in on them (latest: bloodhounds have picked up the trail). I’m as interested as the next guy, but ISTM that this might get them to do something rash and violent. Perhaps the police know they are somewhere else, and this is an effort to lull them into a false sense of security. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2015, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/76 "2015-06-11T23:57:24Z")
They may be in the woods near the prison. Not getting very far away at all. Not having a get away car pretty much screwed up their escape plans. That lady is lucky she didn’t pick them up. I doubt she would have been left alive for more than a few days. > **[Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More](https://news.yahoo.com/)** > > The latest news and headlines from Yahoo News. Get breaking news stories and in-depth coverage with videos and photos. > [@](#): > > The ground search was focused on a heavily wooded area east of Dannemora, along New York State Route 374, New York State Police said in a statement. > > Search teams were following up on a lead developed on Wednesday, police said, without elaborating. > > CNN, citing unidentified sources, reported that bloodhounds picked up the scent of the escapees about 3 miles from the prison. > **[Manhunt for escaped New York inmates returns near scene of prison break: cops](https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/06/11/manhunt-for-escaped-new-york-inmates-returns-near-scene-of-prison-break-cops/)** > > Bloodhounds picked up the scent of two escaped killers Thursday just two miles from the maximum security prison in upstate New York they escaped from last weekend. The sixth day of the manhunt for … > [@](#): > > Bloodhounds picked up the scent of two escaped killers Thursday just two miles from the maximum security prison in upstate New York they escaped from last weekend. > > The sixth day of the manhunt for David Sweat and Richard Matt radiated from a spot where authorities believe the missing convicts had been “bedding down,” ABC News reported. > > Several roads east of the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora, N.Y., including Route 374, were shut down as a helicopter circled over a heavily wooded area within walking distance of the prison. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/77 "2015-06-12T00:11:23Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I’m not so sure it’s a good idea for the police to release to the mass-media that they’re closing in on them (latest: bloodhounds have picked up the trail). I’m as interested as the next guy, but ISTM that this might get them to do something rash and violent. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Perhaps the police know they are somewhere else, and this is an effort to lull them into a false sense of security. Or the opposite. They may suspect the escapees are hiding in some garage or barn or someplace like that. Announcing that there’s going to be a search of every building could be an attempt to flush the escapees out into the open by scaring them into trying to make a run for it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/78 "2015-06-12T00:13:29Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Or the opposite. They may suspect the escapees are hiding in some garage or barn or someplace like that. Announcing that there’s going to be a search of every building could be an attempt to flush the escapees out into the open by scaring them into trying to make a run for it. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![chizzuk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e36b37/32.png) [@chizzuk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chizzuk)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/79 "2015-06-12T02:54:51Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > I’m thinking she’s lucky she bailed on driving the getaway car. I’m guessing there’s a pretty good chance they would have killed her once she outlived her usefullness. (In Soviet prison camps in Siberia there was a concept of a “walking supply” when escaping from prison. You convince some stooge fellow prisoner to be part of your escape and if need be you killed and ate him when food ran low.) > > But once she did bail, they were kind of winging it after that. It’s surprising that they managed to hold out this long altogether after escaping with no car in a very sparsely populated area (you would think had they stolen a car it would be known by now). > > I wonder why there seems to be an assumption that the two guys stayed together after the escape. I would think it would make sense for them to split up so as to be less noticeable. I would say the chances were probably 99.99% that they killed her and took the car as soon as they got somewhere they could dump her body. They probably identified her as a mark who would be susceptible to manipulation if they just laid on some charm and made her feel “special” and like there might be some sort of romantic connection if she helped them. Who knows what they might have promised her. Of course, being sociopaths, it was all a put-on, but it seems to have taken long enough before she finally heard the little warning bells. At this point, I’m half-expecting that one of them will be found dead after being killed by the other. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/80 "2015-06-12T14:14:39Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Or the opposite. They may suspect the escapees are hiding in some garage or barn or someplace like that. Announcing that there’s going to be a search of every building could be an attempt to flush the escapees out into the open by scaring them into trying to make a run for it. How would they be hearing this information? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858.md?page=5)