# Two prisoners escape using tactis similar to Escape from Alcatraz. I predict a movie very soon. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 7, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858 "2015-06-07T03:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2015, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/81 "2015-06-12T14:24:46Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > How would they be hearing this information? A radio or stolen newspapers. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/82 "2015-06-14T00:20:26Z")
“After being captured, the escapees told police investigators that their weeks of freedom were as a result of reading tips and posts on the Straight Dope Message board on a stolen iPhone.”:eek:😃 ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/83 "2015-06-14T00:31:40Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > “After being captured, the escapees told police investigators that their weeks of freedom were as a result of reading tips and posts on the Straight Dope Message board on a stolen iPhone.”:eek:😃 Waiter! I’ll have what he is drinking. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/84 "2015-06-14T02:58:30Z")
The Lady that helped them has been arrested. She’ll getting a taste of prison from the other side of the bars. I wonder how many years she’s facing? 5? 10? or even more? > **[Tailor shop instructor accused of aiding two killers escape upstate NY prison...](https://www.nydailynews.com/2015/06/13/tailor-shop-instructor-accused-of-aiding-two-killers-escape-upstate-ny-prison-moved-to-different-prison-to-limit-distractions/)** > > The tailor shop instructor accused of helping two killers escape an upstate prison was moved Saturday to a jail 160 miles south as police continued their search for the fugitives. Joyce Mitchell wa… > [@](#): > > The married mom pleaded not guilty to providing Matt and Sweat with hacksaw blades, chisels, a punch and a screwdriver bit. She is also suspected of agreeing to be a getaway driver but didn’t show up, leaving the men on foot early on June 6. > [@](#): > > Mitchell, suspended without pay from her $57,697-a-year job at the prison, was ordered jailed on $100,000 cash bail and is due back in court Monday. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/85 "2015-06-14T10:06:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > The Lady that helped them has been arrested. She’ll getting a taste of prison from the other side of the bars. I wonder how many years she’s facing? 5? 10? or even more? ISTM, some article mentioned she could get 7 years. ETA: Okay, just did some googlizing. [this article](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3122187/Married-prison-worker-admitted-giving-Shawshank-escapees-hacksaw-blades-drill-bits-lights-ARRESTED-connection-breakout-police-hunt-murderers-seventh-day.html) says she could get 8 years. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/86 "2015-06-14T12:59:45Z")
That sounds about right. Thank you for the article. She’ll probably take a plea deal for less time. Depends on whether the escaped prisoners harm anybody while they are out. That could drastically change her situation. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/87 "2015-06-14T13:56:10Z")
She may spend some time in jail, but not showing up probably saved her life. They most likely would have killed her once she wasn’t useful anymore. Why leave loose ends? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/88 "2015-06-14T14:01:50Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > She may spend some time in jail, but not showing up probably saved her life. They most likely would have killed her once she wasn’t useful anymore. Why leave loose ends? Killing her would have told the police where they had been. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/89 "2015-06-14T14:15:15Z")
They should really go easy on her since she’s an “Air Force Mom” and she raised a hero!! It’s been 8 days or so. You can hike quite a ways on foot in that time. I’m wondering if someone they know didn’t already set them up with a stocked safe-house they could make a bee-line for and hide out in for a while. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/90 "2015-06-14T14:31:02Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Killing her would have told the police where they had been. But it would have given one of them a skin suit to use as an effective disguise. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/91 "2015-06-14T14:46:29Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > But it would have given one of them a skin suit to use as an effective disguise. I don’t believe they are any where near Hannibal Lecter’s league. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/92 "2015-06-14T14:59:59Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > They should really go easy on her since she’s an “Air Force Mom” and she raised a hero!! > It’s been 8 days or so. You can hike quite a ways on foot in that time. I’m wondering if someone they know didn’t already set them up with a stocked safe-house they could make a bee-line for and hide out in for a while. Hunger and exhaustion should have flushed them out by now. That seems to indicate they found or had a hidey-hole someplace. Stocked with food and water. Or they were smart enough to have a backup plan in case their lady friend let them down. They may have arranged a backup ride that got them out of the area. Its been reported they made calls to friends on this lady’s cell phone. That might be when they finalized their escape plans. Doesn’t matter that much. Its just a matter of time before the law catches up. Theres no way to escape the Internet and social media. Someone will recognize them and post photos. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/93 "2015-06-14T15:06:56Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t believe they are any where near Hannibal Lecter’s league. > :dubious: Even a felon has dreams. ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/94 "2015-06-14T15:41:32Z")
These guys are likely hundreds of miles away by now. I wonder if Canada was an option-the border is close by. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/95 "2015-06-14T16:01:35Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > These guys are likely hundreds of miles away by now. I wonder if Canada was an option-the border is close by. My guess is they’re already in Canada too. A 20-mile hike is a bitch in the woods, but not at all impossible. They could’ve even brought some food with them to get them through a few days in that guitar case. And that’s assuming they didn’t have a back-up driver. Once in Canada, all bets are off. Is Canada cooperating in the search at all? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/96 "2015-06-14T16:19:16Z")
:dubious: Is there a cop anywhere in NY state on routine patrol? Who’s guarding all the state’s banks and responding to 911 calls? Didn’t realize they had 800 spare cops in the entire state. 😛 Theres only so many that can be reassigned from other cities. Cuomo must have a real hard-on to catch these guys no matter the cost to routine patrolling. [http://news.yahoo.com/ny-rural-residents-edge-search-2-killers-continues-041213134.html#](http://news.yahoo.com/ny-rural-residents-edge-search-2-killers-continues-041213134.html#) > [@](#): > > More than 800 law enforcement officers in the search for David Sweat and Richard Matt scoured the fields and Adirondack woods several miles around the Clinton Correctional Facility in Dannemora near the Canadian border. ---
**Author:** ![jimbuff314](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c57346/32.png) [@jimbuff314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimbuff314)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/97 "2015-06-14T16:41:28Z")
It really is like reading dispatches from some psychotic _Twilight Zone_. I wonder what episode will be referenced next. Police stand guard at banks in NY? They don’t here, private security guards do. Police are the only first responders in NY? Not true here. The governor of NY has taken to mainlining Viagra until they’re caught? Well, our governor is a woman so who knows? Anyone with any sense wants these guys caught. One _killed and dismembered his boss_. **Nobody** wants any part of that. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/98 "2015-06-14T16:45:12Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > :dubious: Is there a cop anywhere in NY state on routine patrol? Who’s guarding all the state’s banks and responding to 911 calls? > > Didn’t realize they had 800 spare cops in the entire state. 😛 Theres only so many that can be reassigned from other cities. Cuomo must have a real hard-on to catch these guys no matter the cost to routine patrolling. > [http://news.yahoo.com/ny-rural-residents-edge-search-2-killers-continues-041213134.html#](http://news.yahoo.com/ny-rural-residents-edge-search-2-killers-continues-041213134.html#) As a New York State resident- uh, yeah. That’s exactly what he should be doing. Redirecting officers from routine work to focus on the emergency. New York isn’t some war zone where the routine policing is so critical to law and order they can’t be re-directed for a short time. What a strage POV. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/99 "2015-06-14T16:53:05Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Didn’t realize they had 800 spare cops in the entire state. 😛 Theres only so many that can be reassigned from other cities. Cuomo must have a real hard-on to catch these guys no matter the cost to routine patrolling. > [http://news.yahoo.com/ny-rural-residents-edge-search-2-killers-continues-041213134.html#](http://news.yahoo.com/ny-rural-residents-edge-search-2-killers-continues-041213134.html#) I thought you were going to think before you posted? Because you sound like someone _entirely_ unfamiliar with the State of New York, where there are over 4,600 state troopers, 23,000 corrections officers, about 300 state park police (relevant because some of the search area is in state forests) and some large number of municipal police, county police and sheriffs. I think they can find 800 officers from among these groups. Wanting these guys caught does not require that Andrew Cuomo “have a hard on”. (Hell, I live nowhere nearby and I hope they’re caught soon.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/100 "2015-06-14T16:58:45Z")
A lot of those 800 law enforcement officers are guards brought in from other prisons. Most prisons have their own escape pursuit team. They’ve sent them all upstate. And they’re using state troopers and other police as well. (They’re living in the dorms at the state college at Plattsburgh.) In some cases, their regular posts will be closed. But in others they’ll just hire overtime and have another guard or cop cover the job left vacant because the regular guy is up north searching for the escapees. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858.md?page=6)