# Two prisoners escape using tactis similar to Escape from Alcatraz. I predict a movie very soon. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 7, 2015, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858 "2015-06-07T03:27:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/101 "2015-06-14T17:20:13Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Theres no way to escape the Internet and social media. This is the saddest thing I’ve read in this thread. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/102 "2015-06-14T22:22:39Z")
The most recent news reports I’ve seen haven’t mentioned power tools, but have said that Mitchell supplied them with the tools they used to escape. I’ve got to say, if these guys did all that cutting with “hacksaw blades, chisels, a punch and a screwdriver bit”, I am begrudgingly impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/103 "2015-06-14T22:43:57Z")
The articles on the escape have shown photos of the hole they cut in the 24" pipe through which they escaped the prison. But one article said that they cut their way _out_ of that pipe using a hacksaw blade. I’m skeptical. It’s hard enough to imagine someone of their size being able to _move_ in a 24" pipe, but to cut a hole from the inside large enough to get out? And I’d think this hole would have to be the last thing they did so that would have to be done the night of their escape. How much of the cutting was done in advance and how much did they do the night of the escape? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/104 "2015-06-14T23:05:36Z")
> [@jimbuff314](#): > > It really is like reading dispatches from some psychotic _Twilight Zone_. I wonder what episode will be referenced next. > > Police stand guard at banks in NY? They don’t here, private security guards do. Police are the only first responders in NY? Not true here. The governor of NY has taken to mainlining Viagra until they’re caught? Well, our governor is a woman so who knows? > > Anyone with any sense wants these guys caught. One _killed and dismembered his boss_. **Nobody** wants any part of that. Distracting the police on one side of town and then committing a major robbery elsewhere is an old criminal ploy. I want these guys caught too. 800 cops seems like a huge, almost unfathomable number too me. I live in a rural state. Many of our towns don’t have 800 people in them. 😉 But if they have that much available manpower to search for two escapees then by all means use it. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/105 "2015-06-14T23:29:51Z")
An explanation about the power tools. I knew all that work wasn’t done entirely with hand saw blades. [http://news.yahoo.com/ny-rural-residents-edge-search-2-killers-continues-041213134.html#](http://news.yahoo.com/ny-rural-residents-edge-search-2-killers-continues-041213134.html#) > [@](#): > > The two killers who cut their way out of a maximum-security prison apparently used tools routinely stored there by contractors, taking care to return them to their toolboxes after each night’s work so that no one would notice, a prosecutor said Sunday. > [@](#): > > Wylie said it apparently took a long time for the killers to complete their plan, working methodically between midnight and 5 a.m. over many nights. > > “They had access, from what we understand, to other tools left in the facility by contractors under policy and were able to open the toolboxes and use those tools and then put them back so nobody would notice,” the prosecutor said. > > He also said the men had been scouting out the tunnel system under the prison at night for the best way get out. ---
**Author:** ![HeXen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@HeXen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeXen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2015, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/106 "2015-06-14T23:48:19Z")
If I were on the run, I’d run at night, through rural areas, woodlands…etc. Basically stick to the wilderness and survive like such. Some people can hermit up in the mountains and woods for years without discovery if they don’t want to be discovered. I’d make my way into Canada, plenty of land to hide in but you’d have to dedicate yourself to living off the land for the rest of your life. ---
**Author:** ![bubba001](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f17d59/32.png) [@bubba001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bubba001)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/107 "2015-06-15T01:36:57Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > If I were on the run, I’d run at night, through rural areas, woodlands…etc. Basically stick to the wilderness and survive like such. Some people can hermit up in the mountains and woods for years without discovery if they don’t want to be discovered. I’d make my way into Canada, plenty of land to hide in but you’d have to dedicate yourself to living off the land for the rest of your life. Very few folks could ever do that, maybe 1% of the population could survive in the woods for a extended length of time. Michigan has a similar climate, and I seldom wear short sleeves just working out in the yard. The bugs down in the woods will just about carry you away, a little piece at a time. And you need water, sometimes pond or stream water has parasites in it. Food isn’t easy, especially if you don’t want a fire. The only thing worse than roasted squirrel is raw squirrel. 🙂 And from my travels into Canada, the locals up there are not going to waste any time sending a couple of murderer’s back home. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/108 "2015-06-15T02:11:49Z")
> [@bubba001](#): > > Very few folks could ever do that, maybe 1% of the population could survive in the woods for a extended length of time. They are highly motivated. If they had airline tickets to Mexico, and left clues to make the authorities believe they were still in New York, they would have a hell of a head start. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/109 "2015-06-15T06:03:57Z")
There are multiple law enforcement agencies involved–and naturally each one’s top priority is to ensure that they are the ones to get the glory. So they are not cooperating–particularly the State Police which is the lead agency: > [@](#): > > The sources, meanwhile, said the State Police, the lead agency, had repeatedly refused to share information on the design and scope of the manhunt with the local police, the Clinton County Sheriff’s Department, the state Correctional Services Department and the state Environmental Conservation Department, whose police officers are part of the search, as well as the US Marshals Service. > **[Cuomo created ‘total cluster f—k’ in escaped-killers hunt](https://nypost.com/2015/06/14/cuomo-created-a-total-cluster-f-k-in-hunt-for-escaped-killers/)** > > The massive manhunt for two escaped murderers from the Dannemora prison has been hampered by State Police secrecy, inter-agency rivalries, and the disrupting involvement of Gov. Andrew Cuomo on the… ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/110 "2015-06-15T06:18:19Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I don’t believe they are any where near Hannibal Lecter’s league. > :dubious: Buffalo Bill, dude! ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/111 "2015-06-15T08:15:45Z")
I vote somebody with access to the prison schematics (infrastructure diagrams) found a possible route and started from the outside, leaving only the initial cut for the inside job. The fact that they have not been captured suggests outside help was standing by. If the accused employee was in on it, she should have had an accident the first time she got into her car after parting company. Leaving a loose cannon behind was exceedingly sloppy. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/112 "2015-06-15T09:48:16Z")
It is the night, my body’s weak I’m on the run, no time for sleep I’ve got to ride, ride like the wind To be free again I was born the son of a lawless man Always spoke my mind With a gun in my hand Lived nine lives, gunned down ten Gonna ride like the wind. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/113 "2015-06-15T11:34:53Z")
> [@HeXen](#): > > If I were on the run, I’d run at night, through rural areas, woodlands…etc. Basically stick to the wilderness and survive like such. Some people can hermit up in the mountains and woods for years without discovery if they don’t want to be discovered. I’d make my way into Canada, plenty of land to hide in but you’d have to dedicate yourself to living off the land for the rest of your life. Rough living like that is pretty far from easy and my guess is that the fugitives lack the necessary skills, anyway. If they want to stay free, they need to have split up with neither knowing the other’s plans. They need to have not run straight back to their home areas, which how lots of jailbreakers get caught. They need to avoid crime as a way to sustain themseves right now, no matter how tempting knocking over that Piggly Wiggly might be. Blending into the local homeless/transient population for a while until they aren’t at the forefront of every agency’s attention would be a better bet than trying to hide in the woods. They are in NewYork state? PA and OH ard full of industrial towns gone to seed with cops already too busy to notice one more transient. That said, I hope these two pus-bags are captured or killed ASAP. They don’t seem the types to go straight if they evaded capture. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/114 "2015-06-15T12:18:01Z")
I think they’re on a Mexican beach somewhere in Zihautanejo, fixing up an old boat and waiting for Red. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/115 "2015-06-15T13:58:00Z")
I’m guessing they had an accomplice to pick them up in a car and take them to a safe house. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/116 "2015-06-15T14:50:37Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > I think they’re on a Mexican beach somewhere in Zihautanejo, fixing up an old boat and waiting for Red. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/117 "2015-06-15T19:51:15Z")
I have to agree Cuomo has been unusually high profile in this case. My state had numerous jail escapes and a couple prison escapes in the past twenty years. None of my state’s three governors (during that period) showed up at the scene for photos. They pretty much let the Dept of Corrections and the police handle it. Standard internal investigations looked into how the escapes happened and remediated any issues . We had a murderer walk off his assigned job just last year. He was a trustee with an exemplary prison record. Only three years from finishing his sentence. Quite foolish to escape when he had almost completed his time. He was arrested in Florida about ten days later. I suspect he won’t gain the prison’s trust again. Cuomo announced[a special investigation today.](http://abcnews.go.com/US/ny-prison-escape-gov-cuomo-orders-probe-capturing/story?id=31772318) > **[Cuomo created ‘total cluster f—k’ in escaped-killers hunt](https://nypost.com/2015/06/14/cuomo-created-a-total-cluster-f-k-in-hunt-for-escaped-killers/)** > > The massive manhunt for two escaped murderers from the Dannemora prison has been hampered by State Police secrecy, inter-agency rivalries, and the disrupting involvement of Gov. Andrew Cuomo on the… > [@](#): > > “Cuomo actually disrupted the early search efforts when he arrived at the ‘command center’ on Saturday and refused to enter the room until everyone was removed except state employees,’’ said a longtime law enforcement figure who has regular contact with many involved in the search effort. > > “Cuomo’s aides came in and threw out the US marshal, the sheriff [David Favro, like Cuomo a Democrat] and others who were there to help coordinate the search effort. > > “And they did it without even saying ‘Thanks for your help’ or such, just, ‘Get out so his highness can enter.’ ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2015, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/118 "2015-06-15T20:14:53Z")
I guess tensions between the various law enforcement agencies is high. Everyone’s tired and concerned what these escapees might do. Leaks to reporters is bound to happen. Cuomo may just be a more hands guy then other governors. NY is not my state and I don’t know his style. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/119 "2015-06-16T15:34:55Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I guess tensions between the various law enforcement agencies is high. Everyone’s tired and concerned what these escapees might do. Leaks to reporters is bound to happen. > > Cuomo may just be a more hands guy then other governors. NY is not my state and I don’t know his style. Yes, that’s how he is, his father Mario was the same way. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858/120 "2015-06-16T16:20:25Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > Yes, that’s how he is, his father Mario was the same way. I also wonder if it has anything to do with his battling with De Blasio and De Blasio’s rough relationship with the NYPD. Maybe he’s trying to look very pro-law enforcement to show De Blasio up. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-prisoners-escape-using-tactis-similar-to-escape-from-alcatraz-i-predict-a-movie-very-soon/721858.md?page=7)