# Two second-grade girls stabbed and killed, way too close to home.... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 10, 2005, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158 "2005-05-10T01:48:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/21 "2005-05-11T15:59:36Z")
That guy just looks like a killer, maybe it’s the Neanderthal brow line. Sorry, no offense meant to Neanderthals. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/22 "2005-05-11T16:38:16Z")
The news is saying that he like did this because the girl’s mother gave her a one day reprieve from being grounded on mother’s day. He saw her out when she was supposed to be grounded, and killed her and her friend. I wonder what she was being grounded for originally. Not that it is really pertinent. I had a friend who used to get grounded for really trivial things ( being 30 seconds late from her 45 minute walk that was the only free time she was allowed) and then the grounding extended for other trivial infractions, some beyond her control (your friend tried to call you, you are grounded for another week.) This made me think of her. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/23 "2005-05-11T16:49:09Z")
> [@lee](#): > > The news is saying that he like did this because the girl’s mother gave her a one day reprieve from being grounded on mother’s day. He saw her out when she was supposed to be grounded, and killed her and her friend. > > I wonder what she was being grounded for originally. Not that it is really pertinent. I had a friend who used to get grounded for really trivial things ( being 30 seconds late from her 45 minute walk that was the only free time she was allowed) and then the grounding extended for other trivial infractions, some beyond her control (your friend tried to call you, you are grounded for another week.) This made me think of her. Wow, the punishment for violating your grounding is death for you and your friend? And I thought my parents were strict! I am not trying to be flip about the murder of two little girls but if that is what the sperm donor (he’s not a father) is trying to use as an excuse for what he did or for what “set him off”, it’s not a very good one. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/24 "2005-05-11T16:54:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Wow, the punishment for violating your grounding is death for you and your friend? And I thought my parents were strict! Well then. Let’s give him his very same form of justice. Fry the bastard. ---
**Author:** ![plnnr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@plnnr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/plnnr)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/25 "2005-05-11T17:09:04Z")
According to the news reports I heard this a.m., the girl had been grounded for stealing some petty cash from her mother. I am an opponent of the death penalty, but cases like these make it difficult to stick to that position. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/26 "2005-05-11T17:19:08Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Well then. Let’s give him his very same form of justice. Fry the bastard. As long as he’s not grounded first. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/27 "2005-05-11T18:05:42Z")
> [@Wile E](#): > > As long as he’s not grounded first. I think you have to be grounded for it to work. (Yea, I got the pun) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/28 "2005-05-11T18:28:46Z")
> [@thirdwarning](#): > > The guy’s got a record the length of your arm, a couple of them drug charges, but some assaults in there, too, including assault with a chainsaw! For which, as I understand it, he got probation. That’s why he was in prison, for violating the probation. And that’s why he could come join his family, since he’d served his time for the probation violation. So, were pamphlets put out across the neighborhood that a dangerous potential serial killer was moving to the community? Wait, we’d much rather chase away 18 year olds who slept with their 17 year old SO … It should be guys like this who are locked up forever. He’d messed up too many times to be thought capable of reform by any sane person. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/29 "2005-05-12T03:00:14Z")
My eyes bugged out when I read the [story](http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050512/ap_on_re_us/girls_dead), and him trying to claim that the other little girl pulled the knife on him first and he had to “wrest” it away from her. So I guess he was just trying to protect himself, poor guy. At least, he’ll never get out of prison this time. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/30 "2005-05-12T03:15:20Z")
The poor man obviously has issues. He should be remanded to my custody. I’m sure I could fix him. ---
**Author:** ![ParentalAdvisory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@ParentalAdvisory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParentalAdvisory)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/31 "2005-05-12T05:12:46Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > At least, he’ll never get out of prison this time. The death penalty in Illinois is so weak now, that putting him in general population may get rid of him faster then him sitting in death row for 20 years. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/32 "2005-05-12T14:30:33Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > The poor man obviously has issues. He should be remanded to my custody. I’m sure I could fix him. “There’s nothing wrong with you that I can’t fix… with my hands.” ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/33 "2005-05-12T14:46:12Z")
The death penalty in Illinois is under a moritorium because it was found that we were convicting people of crimes they did not commit and then sentencing them to death. The moritorium was started by a republican and has been continued under the current governor. No matter how you feel about the state killing people, I hope we can agree that the state should not kill people for crimes they did not commit. There is not really that question in this case, he confessed. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/34 "2005-05-12T15:52:27Z")
The fact that he went to prison for chasing his neighbors (i think) with a running chain saw makes me wonder who thought it was a good idea he move back with them to serve out his parole. I hope they’re able to study this guy’s brain after he’s gone. Maybe there’s something in there that will explain his broken self. The thought of that degree of rage bubbling inside of some people chills me to the bone. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/35 "2005-05-12T16:22:23Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > I think you have to be grounded for it to work. (Yea, I got the pun) I thought you got electrocuted when things weren’t properly grounded? Oh well, thanks for noticing the pun anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Succubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@Succubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Succubus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/36 "2005-05-12T17:03:44Z")
Ever heard of Marcus Wesson? Well, if not [here’s a slew of articles](http://www.rickross.com/groups/wesson.html) (basically in his house they found 9 of his family members (all somehow related to him through incestual unions) murdered… Ages of the victims? Three were under one years old, four were younger than nine, and the other two were 17 and 24). This happened about a year ago and less than a quarter mile from my exboyfriend’s house, about 18 miles from my house. I live in a small redneck kind of town (high school population = 500), and this area seems to be the brewing area for crystal meth labs and child molestation. Not only that, but people will kill someone in Fresno and then drag their bodies out here, using this area as a dumping ground. When I was in high school they found a corpse half a mile from my house. About a month ago they found a woman left for dead in the middle of the street who had been raped and dumped 3.5 miles from my house. The reason I said all of this? I know exactly how you feel, because everyday I’m confronted with another crime that has been committed within a 5 miles radius of my house… And sometimes they are huge crimes. ---
**Author:** ![plnnr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@plnnr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/plnnr)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/37 "2005-05-12T17:25:14Z")
> [@Succubus](#): > > The reason I said all of this? I know exactly how you feel, because everyday I’m confronted with another crime that has been committed within a 5 miles radius of my house… And sometimes they are huge crimes. Please don’t move anywhere near me. ---
**Author:** ![Succubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@Succubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Succubus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/38 "2005-05-12T17:30:46Z")
Hey, crime doesn’t follow me… 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/39 "2005-05-12T17:58:26Z")
So Mr. Shithead was in prison for chasing his girlfriend and others through the trailerpark (yes, trailerpark) with a chainsaw (yes, in Texas) and was stopped when one of the neighbors hit him in the back of the head with a shovel. So then when the fuckwad gets out, he moves to Illinois to live with girlfriend and daughter. This is such a fucked up mess with so many people to be pissed at I really don’t know what to say. And, I’m just waiting for his lawyer to try an insanity plea that rests on that blow to the head with the shovel. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2005, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158/40 "2005-05-12T18:01:25Z")
Let us find his shovel-wielding former neighbor and kick the shit out him for doing such an inadequate job. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-second-grade-girls-stabbed-and-killed-way-too-close-to-home/303158.md?page=3)