# Two unrelated Matrix questions. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 21, 2012, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518 "2012-02-21T12:28:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/21 "2012-02-24T01:33:58Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > When the second movie came out, I couldn’t understand why everyone was talking about him meeting the Architect, since it seemed pretty clear to me that Colonel Sanders was just another program lying to him through his teeth to stop him from opening the door that would have won the war for the humans. In fact, there’s no reason at all to think there’s _any_ truth to what he’s saying until the last scene of the third one where we have Col. Sanders and the Oracle talking. Except the movie trope that the guy giving an exposition or backstory dump is telling the truth. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/22 "2012-02-24T01:45:08Z")
> [@kferr](#): > > The part I didn’t like about that sequence is that ‘top software companies’ are far more flexible. Developers rarely wear suits and work fixed hours. So this IS the real world, and we _aren’t_ really in the Matrix! Hooray! Unless the Machines have just learned to be more subtle… ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/23 "2012-02-24T21:01:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Except the movie trope that the guy giving an exposition or backstory dump is telling the truth. …From a certain point of view. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Doom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/0ea827/32.png) [@Dr\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Doom)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/24 "2012-02-24T21:42:42Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > …From a certain point of view. nice. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/25 "2012-02-24T22:44:01Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I’m thinking the second one. Except for the the pilot who got shot at point blank range. When the agent jumped back out of him, he remained dead. > > And as for agents jumping in and out, remember, they do have default bodies. Agent smith has Hugo Weaving’s body for example. So yes, they do have bodies when they’re not jumping in and out of other people’s bodies When watching the first movie it occurred to me that not only were the host bodies for the agents innocent people killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, every single normal person Neo and Trinity kill is just a working stiff passing time until they can go home, they have no clue what is going on and assume Neo and crew are dangerous criminals. Now this is easily dismissed as acceptable and unavoidable losses but still, those security guards killed using gunplay and acrobatics are going to get flushed and turned into human chow to feed everyone including the kids who they won’t be coming home to tonight. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/26 "2012-02-24T23:20:59Z")
> [@grude](#): > > When watching the first movie it occurred to me that not only were the host bodies for the agents innocent people killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, every single normal person Neo and Trinity kill is just a working stiff passing time until they can go home, they have no clue what is going on and assume Neo and crew are dangerous criminals. > > Now this is easily dismissed as acceptable and unavoidable losses but still, those security guards killed using gunplay and acrobatics are going to get flushed and turned into human chow to feed everyone including the kids who they won’t be coming home to tonight. How does the kids thing work anyway? When two coppertops get together, do the machines extract the guy’s semen and implant it in the lady or is it really all just random and when they grow another kid they pick a random couple having “sex” and just hook that kid’s avatar into her virtual womb? And why do people have to look like their avatars anyway? It’s just a show I should really just relax… It’s just a show I should really just relax… It’s just a show I should really just relax… It’s just a show I should really just relax… It’s just a show I should really just relax… It’s just a show I should really just relax… It’s just a show I should really just relax… ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/27 "2012-02-24T23:40:30Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > How does the kids thing work anyway? When two coppertops get together, do the machines extract the guy’s semen and implant it in the lady or is it really all just random and when they grow another kid they pick a random couple having “sex” and just hook that kid’s avatar into her virtual womb? > > And why do people have to look like their avatars anyway? > > It’s just a show I should really just relax… > It’s just a show I should really just relax… > It’s just a show I should really just relax… > It’s just a show I should really just relax… > It’s just a show I should really just relax… > It’s just a show I should really just relax… > It’s just a show I should really just relax… I’m not aware of any EU stuff that deals with it so this is a WAG but. Presumably people do at least have control over this, I assume that when a couple has sex some kind of probability is thrown and depending on the outcome they will use genetic material from the two of them to create the baby which will come online once it is “born” inside the matrix. Unless one or more partners has already been given the sterile attribute, one assumes miscarriages might be the result when the IV baby just doesn’t take etc. All depending on whether the machines need more or less new people which could change the probability etc. There might be a reason avatars do in general resemble their pod peeps, but they need varied appearances so why complicate it further? I wonder if the matrix is really worldwide(at least to the best of the machine’s capabilities) so you know like Andaman islanders? Are they present in the matrix? ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2012, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/28 "2012-02-24T23:49:22Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > An interesting prequel should tell a new story which connects to the original work in some way, possibly tenuously. Example: what if I came up with a story where Neo’s biological great-great-grandfather was someone named John Connor? Wold that make for some good prequels? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/29 "2012-02-25T01:32:18Z")
> [@grude](#): > > When watching the first movie it occurred to me that not only were the host bodies for the agents innocent people killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, every single normal person Neo and Trinity kill is just a working stiff passing time until they can go home, they have no clue what is going on and assume Neo and crew are dangerous criminals. > > Now this is easily dismissed as acceptable and unavoidable losses but still, those security guards killed using gunplay and acrobatics are going to get flushed and turned into human chow to feed everyone including the kids who they won’t be coming home to tonight. Yeah, killing innocent people just because of the possibility of being taken over by agents always bothered me too. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/30 "2012-02-25T01:35:34Z")
> [@Arnold\_Winkelried](#): > > Example: what if I came up with a story where Neo’s biological great-great-grandfather was someone named John Connor? Wold that make for some good prequels? 😉 :eek: Holy crap. I have mixed emotions about that. It could be great material or it could be a disaster. With the current crop of studio executives, producers, and directors, I’m going for disaster. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2012, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518/31 "2012-02-26T22:02:44Z")
> [@Arnold\_Winkelried](#): > > Example: what if I came up with a story where Neo’s biological great-great-grandfather was someone named John Connor? Wold that make for some good prequels? 😉 Impossible, because for the machines to win and go on to create the matrix they have to wipe John Connor from the timeline first. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-unrelated-matrix-questions/613518.md?page=1)