# Two warnings, one offence **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 23, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229 "2021-09-23T23:09:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/61 "2021-09-24T18:03:54Z")
IMO, the only moderator action that deserves any criticism whatsoever is **Hari\_Seldon’s** latest post for **Peter\_Morris** to take it to ATMB, > [@Delay in prosecution of Trump](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/134): > > Do not comment on modding outside ATMB, please. Which was a good 18 hours after **Peter\_Morris** had already posted > [@Delay in prosecution of Trump](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/delay-in-prosecution-of-trump/950708/129): > > We shall continue this discussion in ATMB. But even so, **Hari\_Seldon** ’s post serves a purpose in warning others not to discuss moderation in-thread. * * * @Peter_Morris, the way I see it **What\_Exit** ’s mention of “a belligerent tone” and **Hari\_Seldon** ’s explicit warning for insulting others do appear cover basically the same “offense”, so you have a point there. If it was up to us to decide why the warnings were issued… but it’s not our interpretation of a warning that matters. **What\_Exit** has clarified that his warning was for ignoring moderator instructions to stop a hijack, distinct from insults. So as far as the mods are concerned the two warnings are for different offenses. And IMO it’s their opinion of their own warnings that matters, because they are the ones who review warnings to decide on suspension or banning. So long as mods say the two warnings cover distinct offenses I have no issue with the fact that two warnings were issued for the same post. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/62 "2021-09-24T18:13:53Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > I’m remembering a case where somebody posted a certain ethnic slur, then edited his post a minute later. It was visible for only a few seconds. He was suspended for it, IIRC. Changing a post does not change a breach of rules. I think you know the incident, and if you don’t ask the other mods. > > That was a more serious case, but the principle is the same. Not a mod, but if I were I would reserve the right to mod people for making insults then editing them away in bad faith to circumvent the rules. I think letting people delete their posts in good faith after realizing they are perpetuating a hijack, and not warning them, is perfectly consistent. It’s like, are you going to kick a kid out of church who keeps mooning the parishoners while you aren’t looking, versus are you going to kick out the people who were gossiping during service but shut up when gently reminded a second time? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/63 "2021-09-24T18:25:25Z")
I think what some here are missing is a point I failed to make last night. There were _four_ flags, and they were for different posts. What\_Exit modded three of those. While he was busy with that, Hari\_Seldon modded the fourth. Different flaggers raising separate issues for separate posts. If I had been around to follow through with the initial mod note violation and the flags kept coming as they did, I would very likely have issued two separate warnings for the two separate offenses. Just the fact that What\_Exit and Hari\_Seldon issued them does not invalidate the distinct reasons for which two separate warnings were made. As others have pointed out, you don’t get a two-fer just because you were warned in one thread by one mod. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/64 "2021-09-24T18:35:49Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > As others have pointed out, you don’t get a two-fer just because you were warned in one thread by one mod. I dunno, if someone breaks enough rules in bulk, you can just round up to a banning. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/65 "2021-09-24T19:20:51Z")
FWIW I’m confused after reading this mess why no one has brought up the obvious. This is yet another case of most of the mods being unwilling to point out when another simply made a mistake. It’s quite obvious Hari just hadn’t noticed the first warning and issued a second, unnecessary one. A mistake so simple and so minor that it could have been dispensed with in mere seconds of effort saying “ah, there was already a warning, my bad.” But instead, there’s convoluted discussion going on for over a day about whether two versus one warning was necessary and all kinds of other nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/66 "2021-09-24T19:25:08Z")
Different offences, different warnings-rather obvious to me. ---
**Author:** ![Ranch\_Dip](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranch_dip/32/5238_2.png) [@Ranch\_Dip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranch_Dip)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/67 "2021-09-24T19:39:48Z")
nevermind ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/68 "2021-09-24T19:40:39Z")
I post stuff that I delete within the allotted time frequently. Sometimes I realize it might have broken a rule. Sometimes I realize I posted to the wrong thread. Sometimes I realize the thread wasn’t in the forum I thought it was. If I thought it was in the Pit when it was in P&E, I might withdraw it so I can tone it down. If I thought it was in P&E when it was in the Pit, I might withdraw it to spice it up. Sometimes I realize there is a broken link and I withdraw it to buy time to fix the link. Sometimes I realize it contains a statistic I haven’t cited a source for or fact-checked, so I delete it to give me more time to work on it. I delete posts all the time. I also get warnings when I break the rules. When that happens, I don’t cry and whine like a damn Republican. Instead I accept the consequences of my actions. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/69 "2021-09-24T19:43:23Z")
Wow, this is pointless. At what number of warnings do you get banned? So it doesn’t matter how many warnings you have? Nitpicking for nitpickings sake. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/70 "2021-09-24T20:04:27Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > But instead, there’s convoluted discussion going on for over a day about whether two versus one warning was necessary and all kinds of other nonsense. The _klamer_ is so high because there’s so very little at stake. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/71 "2021-09-24T20:06:34Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > So it doesn’t matter how many warnings you have? What matters is numerous warnings over a short period of time. Don’t expect any specifics for either the number of warnings or the period of time. ---
**Author:** ![Martin\_Hyde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/47e85d/32.png) [@Martin\_Hyde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martin_Hyde)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/72 "2021-09-24T20:13:27Z")
Let’s be honest too–person who joined this month, already causing problems. This was like Ralphie in _The Sopranos_ everyone knew what was coming, the question was when, not if. The minutiae of these warnings are extremely unimportant. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/73 "2021-09-24T20:15:54Z")
Amen… > [@QuickSilver](#): > > He didn’t strike me as someone to whom you could successfully appeal with facts and reason. He came to _witness_ for QAnon, not to have his ignorance challenged. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/74 "2021-09-24T20:34:08Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I post stuff that I delete within the allotted time frequently. Yep. For every quality post I submit, there are scores that do not meet my strict standards. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/75 "2021-09-24T20:48:33Z")
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical\_question](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question) ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/76 "2021-09-24T23:29:05Z")
> [@Martin\_Hyde](#): > > FWIW I’m confused after reading this mess why no one has brought up the obvious. This is yet another case of most of the mods being unwilling to point out when another simply made a mistake. It’s quite obvious Hari just hadn’t noticed the first warning and issued a second, unnecessary one. A mistake so simple and so minor that it could have been dispensed with in mere seconds of effort saying “ah, there was already a warning, my bad.” But instead, there’s convoluted discussion going on for over a day about whether two versus one warning was necessary and all kinds of other nonsense. Perhaps it’s because that’s not what happened? We already were told that @What_Exit responded to a flag on three posts. @Hari_Seldon responded to a fourth. @What_Exit gave a Warning for one thing, and @Hari_Seldon gave one for another. The only reason that the thread continued was that one poster decided to reject the explanation and accuse the mods of an ulterior motive. I see no reason to assume bad faith, either in giving the Warnings or in the explanation given. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/77 "2021-09-25T02:28:59Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I post stuff that I delete within the allotted time frequently. This is completely normal. And allowed. The only time it’s not allowed us when it looks like the poster is trying to make an end run around the rules. Insulting someone who is actively posting and will see it, and then deleting the insult, for instance. But “oops wrong forum”, “oops, i didn’t see that mod note”, “oops, i want to look something up, first”… All pretty common and generally just fine. I’m surprised anyone is hassling you about that. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/78 "2021-09-25T02:33:22Z")
Nobody is hassling her. I merely mentioned that it happened. She is the one making a big issue of it. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/79 "2021-09-25T02:51:41Z")
No, you’re the one who seems to be hell bent on rules lawyering. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229/80 "2021-09-25T03:07:20Z")
I’m perfectly happy to stop talking about Ann. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/two-warnings-one-offence/951229.md?page=5)