# Tyre Nichols death - discussion as the video comes out **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 27, 2023, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910 "2023-01-27T16:46:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/201 "2023-01-31T01:00:57Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > And if you think about it for more than a moment, I’m sure you can come up with better approaches to policing than that. Yes but I responded to your suggestion that cops rely on something other than physical strength. The floor is yours. You are now the Internet Memphis Chief of Police and you just banned clubs, mace, and tasers. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/202 "2023-01-31T01:02:01Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > I’m opposed to pretty much any fixed criteria for hiring. Sure, there are plenty of former felons that are not suitable for law enforcement. But some are, and rigid policies eliminate those too. People should be judged by their own specific circumstances. That’s fair. Let’s say someone was charged with felony possession as a very young adult. They have been clean for years, and even if they weren’t it was a marijuana charge that wouldn’t even be prosecuted anymore. Should they be excluded? I’d say definitely not based solely on that. So, your point is made. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/203 "2023-01-31T01:13:44Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I was thinking the exact same thing. You don’t go to college to learn how not to murder people. Usually the curriculum has more of an academic focus. One would hope a law enforcement degree has a curriculum focused on law enforcement procedures. If that’s eliminated as a minimum then we’re left with 5 years of “hands on” experience. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/204 "2023-01-31T01:29:47Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > One would hope a law enforcement degree has a curriculum focused on law enforcement procedures. …there is nothing to suggest that “a law enforcement degree” was required. Just either an associate’s degree or 54 college credit hours. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/205 "2023-01-31T01:45:55Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …there is nothing to suggest that “a law enforcement degree” was required. Just either an associate’s degree or 54 college credit hours. Well, beyond common sense, no. But if your intent is police work and the city want’s police officers the degree tends to line up with the job skills sought after. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/206 "2023-01-31T01:50:33Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > But if your intent is police work and the city want’s police officers the degree tends to line up with job skills sought after. …but it wasn’t a requirement. And while “the degree tends to line up with job skills sought after”, it wouldn’t make a potential candidate more suitable based solely on the entrance requirements, wouldn’t prevent the incident that took place here from happening, and we don’t actually know if anyone in the force even has “a law enforcement degree”. The requirement here was either an associate’s degree or 54 college credit hours. That’s it. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/207 "2023-01-31T02:12:58Z")
Lots of colleges and universities offer degrees in criminal justice, e.g., [University of Massachusetts](http://www.umassonline.net/degrees/online-degree-bachelor-criminal-justice-lowell), as well as Suffolk University, Mount Wachusett Community College, Anna Maria College, Northeastern University – and that’s just a few of the Massachusetts institutions. Lots more in other states. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/208 "2023-01-31T02:41:32Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > When I clicked on the cite that you provided I got a pop-up that said that they: “take on corrupt politicians, the far-left, and the corrupt corporate media.” > > That doesn’t inspire any confidence that your cite is anything but clickbait. You know Google is there- there are a dozen cites for the same thing. Pick the one you like. Do you have a cite that disproves mine? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/209 "2023-01-31T02:49:18Z")
Since you say we can pick a cite we like, Is there a reason you picked that site in particular? ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/210 "2023-01-31T02:54:04Z")
This has probably already been posted, but I wonder what _other_ past complaints have been lodged against the SCORPION team, and if there’ll be serious investigation into them. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/211 "2023-01-31T03:07:12Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Since you say we can pick a cite we like, Is there a reason you picked that site in particular? Does it matter? First cite after Fox news, I won’t like to Fox. There were many. Pick one. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/212 "2023-01-31T03:11:21Z")
And how many complaints _aren’t_ made, out of fear or retaliation. If you know that filing a complaint won’t result in any discipline or change, and it may result in those you complained about finding out and coming after you, people are less likely to try. Complete out of left field speculation, but I wonder if Tyre had a complaint against one or more of these cops. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/213 "2023-01-31T03:42:59Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You know Google is there- there are a dozen cites for the same thing. Pick the one you like. …I don’t need to. You should note that while your choice of citation here gave me pause, I _didn’t_ dismiss it out of hand. What I did was that I read it, I quoted from it, and made a case that these “lowered standards” would not have made any material difference here. It may (or may not) be relevant if any of the five received a felony waiver. But nothing in your cite gave any indication that any of them had. Which leaves just no longer requiring an associate’s degree or 54 college credit hours, instead also allowing five years of work experience. So it isn’t up to me to prove anything. It’s over to you to demonstrate how having an associate’s degree or 54 college credit hours would have made a material difference here: and thats even assuming that any of the five didn’t qualify under the old criteria. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Do you have a cite that disproves mine? Your own cite disproves your cite. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/214 "2023-01-31T03:46:31Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > And how many complaints _aren’t_ made, out of fear or retaliation. > > If you know that filing a complaint won’t result in any discipline or change, and it may result in those you complained about finding out and coming after you, people are less likely to Hopefully, old and new complaints will be looked into now. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/215 "2023-01-31T04:23:08Z")
EMT’s have been fired as well as additional officers in the vicinity. I’m wondering if the street camera was monitored at the time and if they can go after that person too. It seems to me that was a controllable camera so it’s highly likely that it was deliberately pointed at Tyre while he was being beaten. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/216 "2023-01-31T04:43:32Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It seems to me that was a controllable camera How so? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/217 "2023-01-31T04:51:10Z")
it’s a half dome camera cover that is traditionally one that has a swiveling camera inside. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/218 "2023-01-31T05:09:36Z")
[View of street camera](https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0301722,-89.8389374,3a,15y,354.53h,113.73t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLMFS1OdCdYi4_EUo6DB3bA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) that recorded the beating. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/219 "2023-01-31T05:11:56Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > it’s a half dome camera cover that is traditionally one that has a swiveling camera inside But do you think there’s somebody sitting by manning it 24-7? Or perhaps it’s on automatic? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910/220 "2023-01-31T05:17:15Z")
Even if there was someone controlling it at the time, why would they be in trouble for pointing the camera at the crime in process? The crime being the assault and murder of Nichols by the gang of officers. What could this hypothetical camera operator have done differently other than making sure the crime was recorded? Call some different police? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tyre-nichols-death-discussion-as-the-video-comes-out/978910.md?page=12)