# U.K. Drink Driving laws and court system **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [December 26, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-k-drink-driving-laws-and-court-system/775645 "2016-12-26T14:18:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-k-drink-driving-laws-and-court-system/775645/1 "2016-12-26T14:18:07Z")
I don’t need answer fast. Liverpool Football Club player Roberto Firmino was arrested on Christmas Eve and charged with drink driving. A court appearance is scheduled for 31 January. 1. I know Europe is stricter on drunken driving than the USA. How serious is this crime? 2 The court appearance is the same day as a major football match. Is this first court date just an arraignment, which may not even require the defendant to be there? Or, is this the actual trial? 1. Since Firmino is from Brazil, if he is found guilty, could his work visa be cancelled and be deported? > **[Roberto Firmino charged with drink driving](https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/roberto-firmino-charged-drink-driving-12371084)** > > 25-year-old Liverpool FC forward pulled over in Liverpool city centre ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-k-drink-driving-laws-and-court-system/775645/2 "2016-12-26T14:28:01Z")
1. Depends on the nature of the ‘excessive’ speed. Higher speed over the posted limit, more serious. 2. The equivalent of an ‘arraignment’ unless he chooses to plead guilty there and then. In that case, depending on the circumstances the magistrates might decide that they don’t have powers to award a sufficiently onerous sentence and remit it to the Crown Court for sentencing. 3. Again depends on the circumstances but probably not. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-k-drink-driving-laws-and-court-system/775645/3 "2016-12-26T14:30:47Z")
> [@Mk\_VII](#): > > 1. Depends on the nature of the ‘excessive’ speed. Higher speed over the posted limit, more serious. The speed of what? His drinking? ---
**Author:** ![Mk\_VII](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Mk\_VII](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mk_VII)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-k-drink-driving-laws-and-court-system/775645/4 "2016-12-26T14:48:29Z")
yeah, I framed that wrongly; should have said ‘blood/alcohol content’ ---
**Author:** ![Schnitte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/schnitte/32/9033_2.png) [@Schnitte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schnitte)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-k-drink-driving-laws-and-court-system/775645/5 "2016-12-26T14:52:22Z")
Firmino is to appear before a Magistrates’ Court, which is, in the system of courts in England and Wales, the lowest level of criminal courts dealing with minor offences. The judges are typically laymen, i.e. not qualified lawyers, who are advised on legal matters by a clerk of the court, who is a qualified lawyer but not a judge on the case. The Magistrates’ Court has a power to sentence defendants to an imprisonment of up to 12 months, but in many cases, including many cases of driving drunk, the sentence is limited to a fine and a suspension of the licence. If firmino pleads guilty the sentence can be given on the spot, and the case is dealt with on that day. As to his work permit: Sure, it could be revoked. But I doubt it will happen, since this is in the discretion of the authorities and not automatic. In spite of this offence, he’s quite a valuable migrant worker to Britain, so why not keep him? ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-k-drink-driving-laws-and-court-system/775645/6 "2016-12-26T16:43:38Z")
A lot depends on how much over the limit he was and if his (expensive) lawyer can dream up some mitigating circumstance (he could claim his drinks were spiked) and persuade the (cynical) magistrate to accept it. However, he faces: 6 months’ imprisonment (But usually unpaid work rather than jail) an unlimited fine (If he is just over the limit, this would be around 150% of his weekly income. Since this is a reported £100,000 ([cite](http://sillyseason.com/salary/liverpool-players-salaries-69073/)) this could be a nice earner for the Treasury. (All the local cops can claim is their costs) a driving ban for at least 1 year (3 years if convicted twice in 10 years) I would think that an application for an adjournment would probably be successful ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-k-drink-driving-laws-and-court-system/775645/7 "2016-12-26T17:23:05Z")
The courts are typically tough on DUI at Christmas. If he’s sensible, he will plead guilty by letter so will not have to attend. From [here](http://www.motorlawyers.co.uk/court/summons.php): > [@](#): > > The vast majority of motoring offences are dealt with by way of a Summons which will be heard in the Magistrates’ Court. Upon receipt of the Summons, you will normally be given 3 options: > > Plead guilty and ask for the Court to deal with the matter in your absence; > Plead guilty but attend the Court hearing in person; > Plead not guilty; > > (major snippage) > > What happens if I plead guilty by post? > If you choose not to attend the hearing, the Court will deal with your case in your absence provided you have supplied your licence and Statement of Means. You do have the opportunity to put forward a written plea of mitigation, ie the chance to explain how the offence occurred and why you should not be punished severely. This is a useful option and should not be overlooked. Many Defendants simply fail to raise any mitigation at all and as a result receive far harsher penalties than anticipated. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-k-drink-driving-laws-and-court-system/775645/8 "2016-12-26T22:58:36Z")
> [@Schnitte](#): > > Firmino is to appear before a Magistrates’ Court, which is, in the system of courts in England and Wales, the lowest level of criminal courts dealing with minor offences. The judges are typically laymen, i.e. not qualified lawyers, who are advised on legal matters by a clerk of the court, who is a qualified lawyer but not a judge on the case. The Magistrates’ Court has a power to sentence defendants to an imprisonment of up to 12 months, but in many cases, including many cases of driving drunk, the sentence is limited to a fine and a suspension of the licence. If firmino pleads guilty the sentence can be given on the spot, and the case is dealt with on that day. > > As to his work permit: Sure, it could be revoked. But I doubt it will happen, since this is in the discretion of the authorities and not automatic. In spite of this offence, he’s quite a valuable migrant worker to Britain, so why not keep him? Just to add that if the incident is regarded as particularly serious the magistrates can refer the case to the Crown Court where it would be dealt with by a judge and (if the plea is not guilty) by a jury. Much stiffer sentences can be handed out by the Crown Court.