U.N. says 'no sign of WMD in Iraq'

Thanks for showing me the light. I, along with Tony Blair, John Howard, Congress, the majority of Americans, the SAT scorers, Yale admissions, etc… had been hoodwinked by this “doofus”.

The UN had the US back off during the first Gulf War on their decision that sanctions and inspections would hold Saddam in check. He has flouted both and the UN hasn’t acted at all.

I really think you should focus less on “but he didn’t get Estonia’s approval!” and tortured 1984 analogies and more on “what is the correct action to take against a tyrannical dictator who is directly flouting the UN directives that were specifically instituted to end the Gulf War?”

Thanks for that, elucidator. Now, then, can you answer my questions?

  1. Has Saddam Hussein complied with UN Security Council resolutions?

  2. What has the UN Security Council done about that?

  3. What message do you think is sent by the United Nations’ response?

  4. Do you acknowledge that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons before? That he used them? Do you deny that he was working toward nuclear capability before?

  5. True or false? Complete and unfettered UN inspections of Iraq’s weapons stockpiles, programs and capabilities has never occurred.

  6. True or false? UN inspections of any kind have not occurred for several years.

  7. What is your position on a person who has demonstrated possession, use, and desire for more weapons of mass destruction, who has not allowed inspections for several years? Do you think Saddam Hussein has turned over a new leaf? Why or why not?

  8. Is there any nation on Earth (with the exception of Israel) that has more reason than the United States not to tolerate aggressive, barbaric, Middle Eastern governments working toward chemical, biological and nuclear weapons of mass destruction?

  9. What, specifically, from Bush’s UN speech do you disagree with? Here’s the text of it.

I agree largely with elucidator’s assessment of Bush’s speech to the U.N. this morning. It presented no new evidence, and contained no new perspectives. It was a re-statement of what the Bush team (excluding Powell) has been saying for months. Most importantly, it offered no proof to back up its conclusions. It would have been soundly rejected and ripped apart in GD, I daresay. It may yet be. :wink:

Regarding the substance of it, I agree with some of what he said…

All of the conditions Bush stated for “peace,” I don’t have a problem with. However, this did nothing more than state the obvious. My response to Bush’s litany of conditions for peace was “Well, DUH!” He spent at least two minutes stating the obvious… great rhetorical tactic: use a lot of words to say nothing.

However, the burden is still on the Bush Administration to prove that there are WMD in Iraq. This is stated and re-stated as though it were fact. Bush cannot escape the perception, held by many, that the United States is assuming there are WMD in Iraq based on the thinnest of evidence. I, along with many others, feel that more proof is required before we can support an offensive campaign in Iraq.

I agree with this statement of Bush’s with one quibble… too many words. What he should have said was this:

To assume is to bet the lives of millions, and the peace of the free world, in a reckless gamble.

In other words, the Bush Administration’s assumptions, and the hawkish stance that results from those assumptions, is just as risky and every bit as reckless as assuming the good faith of Iraq. And it puts just as much on the line. Charging blindly into war is just as bad as sitting on one’s thumbs. Bush doesn’t seem to understand that side of the argument at all.

This matters a great deal, even to those of us who disagree with the current aggressive stance of the Bush Administration. Just because we disagree with the assumptions being made and the actions being planned doesn’t mean it doesn’t matter to us.

Finally, Milo… “regime change” may well be in order. All I ask to support such is for some solid proof of the assumptions our leaders have made. None has been forthcoming as of yet.

However, since when is “regime change” a synonym for war? Are there not other methods which can be applied? Diplomacy, orchestrating a coup, assasination, etc.? Have these methods proven to be more costly or more time consuming than instigating a war of aggression? I submit to you that the administration is trying to pull a fast one, by using “regime change” as a euphemism for “war.” I, for one, am not falling for it. History tells me that there are better ways to bring about regime change than a unilateral military action which would focus the attention of the world on the U.S. as the aggressors, and in the long run could well have worse results than any of us imagine. September 11 could look like a field day compared to the firestorm we potentially invite by going to war with Iraq without U.N. support.

My conclusion: If Bush is going to tell the U.N. that iraq must abide by the rules the U.N. has imposed, then he’d better walk the walk too. The United States bears the same responsbility and accountability we expect of others, and we should abide by the U.N.'s decision.

How can we set expectations if we don’t set the example?

ralph:

Yeah. I even puzzle myself sometimes. I’m such an enigma.

But on the other hand, if you aren’t advocating an attack on Iraq, what was the point of that last post?

Anyway, the list of grievances you present regarding Saddam go a little beyond the topic of this thread, and in particular beyond the question I was dealing with. I’m particularly worried about some of the rationales, or excuses, that have been used by the gubmint (and our fearless leader) to justify a war against Iraq. Some of them have been little more than pure bullshit; for months, for example, the White House has been claiming that there exists a connection between al-Queda and the Iraqi government. Had this claim panned out, it would have been very good for the war effort, because we could have conceivably tied Iraq to the WTC attack. (If the US or other intelligence sources had conclusive proof of Iraqi involvement, then even I would support a military response.) Unfortunately, despite hundreds of man-hours spent going through old CIA reports and what not, they’ve not been able to locate a shred of evidence for these accusations; so, as reported earlier this week in the Washington Post, the gubmint has decided to quietly drop that argument for attacking Iraq in favor of more effective ones.

What this tells me is that the Bush administration has decided that they are going to attack Iraq, for some dark reason, and now they’re just fishing around to find any sort of argument for justifying the attack. It’s like backwards logic. The administration, and some elements of media, wish to create in the mind of the American public an image of Iraq as some sort of threat to US security, thus creating an excuse to attack Saddam, rather than, as it were, simply providing us with straightforward evidence that Saddam is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For example, you would think that after failing to discover any evidence of a connection between al-Queda and Iraq, the gubmint would go, “Whew! Thank God – I guess we don’t have ta bomb the crap out of them after all!” or some such thing. If it was actually concerned with the possible connection between Iraq and al-Queda, rather than just bombing Iraq, I mean.

If the above is true, then you would expect the gubmint’s propaganda machine to start tailoring an image of Iraq as a direct and serious threat to US security, and even to world peace, with each new press release. They’ll want to exaggerate the significance of every tiny piece of evidence they can find, and make Iraq seem larger than life; so that eventually, even average Americans come to sincerely feel that they are the ones under attack, really, and are actually only defending themselves and the good old American way of freedom, democracy, apple pie, and all that. Never mind that Iraq is really a backward, economically impoverished third world country on the other side of the globe, suffering under more than a decade of UN imposed sanctions, with almost no resources or real military clout. Never mind that the US kicked the unholy shit out of them in the last war. They want you to fear the possibility that Saddam can:

Bush’s false claims regarding the IAEA report and the satellite photos are simply examples of these processes in action. Judging from a lot of what has been written on these boards lately, it seems to be working.

Anyway, I’m not implying here that Saddam is a nice guy. But first off, the US has a history of actually supporting, financially and militarily, regimes like Saddam’s. In fact, as has been noted often enough, once upon a time we supported him – and we did so even when we had documented evidence that he was gassing Kurds. So claims that we need to dispose of him now because of his human rights record ring false to me. Once again, they’re just an excuse – even if, this time, they might be a good excuse. And of course, one has to wonder if Saddam’s extremely dysfunctional family relationships are such a good reason to go to war with an entire country.

By the way, some of the commentators over here have been speculating freely that the administration’s focus on Iraq also serves to distract the public from its unsuccessful attempts to capture bin Laden.

Well, I’ve never advocated “just making nice” with Saddam Hussein, and I don’t know where you get that idea from.*

You might be right about my naiveté. But just for the record, I never accused you of being naive; I accused you of being paranoid. Not exactly the same thing, is it?

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A few things that occurred to me as I read this thread.

Where does the United States get the right to determine whether or not the leader of another country has to go? How would any of you react if any other country in the world said Bush couldn’t be president because the election was clearly a fraud? (I’m not asking whether or not you think it was, I’m asking how you’d react if another country took action on that premise.)

I also note an inconsistency here. Those who are responding “The UN is wrong; Saddam Hussein is a lying sonofabitch” even though the UN has repeatedly inspected Iraqi weapons sites were the same ones saying “The UN is right; Yassir Arafat is a lying sonofabitch” after the UN was blocked by Israel and the US from inspecting Jenin earlier this year. The only explanation I can see for this is deep-seated anti-Arab or anti-Muslim sentiment, which I find deeply disturbing, especially among those who profess to be fighting ignorance. I certainly welcome corrections and/or more plausible explanations.

question back atchya Milo - which of the list of questions that you posit are the result of new information, a change, an increase in severity, etc. Seems to me that absolutely everything on that list could have been answered the same way for the last number of years.

what has transpired in the past few months that has increased the relevance of this situation, so that it has become GWB’s primary focus? He and his administration have been on a nonstop gala world wide tour in the past month or so calling for immediate action.

that’s why many of us are suspect - I’ve not heard of anything new. If this was is such a dire threat now, why wasn’t it 6 months ago? 13 months ago? etc. etc. etc.

Avalonian:

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Iraq is not abiding by U.N. Security Council resolutions. The U.S. is a permanent member of the Security Council. If it doesn’t want to do something, it will veto any resolution.

World powers as diverse as the U.S., Russia, China and France all agreed on what Saddam Hussein had to do to end the Gulf War. Saddam himself agreed. Then reneged. Shame on anyone who doesn’t want to hold him accountable for that.

I earlier presented evidence of Saddam’s possession of chemical and biological weapons in the past. It is your position, then, that his thwarting of the inspection process and the fact that there have been no inspections of any kind for years affords him the benefit of the doubt?

You might want to conduct a seance with about 30,000 Kurds, to get their opinion on that matter.

Olentzero:

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When a country wins a war, lays out terms of surrender and the other side agrees to comply with them, I’d say that gives it all the authority it needs. Setting aside the threat Saddam Hussein poses to the U.S. and U.S. interests.

Any country has a right to tell us to piss off. They should also expect the consequences of taking that position (not to say that those will always be military).

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Provide me evidence that the UN ever conducted free, full and unfettered inspections of Iraqi weapons and weapons programs.

If I want to search New York City for weapons, and I conduct a search of the Bronx, and say, “Now I want to go check out Manhattan,” and you don’t let me, sorry, you don’t get to say “Milo has repeatedly inspected New York weapons sites.”

Unless the U.N. decides where and when to inspect, inspections are meaningless. All the years of equivocating have probably made inspections meaningless anyway.

wring - Why on earth does it matter whether it’s new or not? Other than exposing those who have done nothing in the face of it to the shame that they deserve.

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3,000 dead people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, for one.

It has pointed out the need to be proactive in the face of aggression and threats from enemies, especially those pursuing weapons of mass destruction. The U.S. can’t afford to sit back in reactive mode any longer.

And don’t you think WMD capabilities grow with every month of inactivity that passes? I’m sure I don’t need to explain that to you.

Olentzero- mind telling me what Saddam has to do with Islam?

The key words in your presentation of evidence are “in the past.” Like the Bush administration, you present nothing substantive specifically regarding Iraq in the present-day, either in the way of direct evidence of what they are up to or reasoning as to why Iraq gets all the attention that others deserve as well.

To answer your question, my position is not that Hussein gets the benefit of the doubt. My position is that, before commiting this nation (and the world) to a bloody war of aggression, there must be proof of wrongdoing. You offer conjecture and assumption. If I am to support a war, I require proof.

I might add, Milo, that I did note your avoidance of my question… since when is “regime change” synonymous with war? This is the rhetorical tactic the Bush team has adopted… can you defend it?

Milo cheap shot - yes, of course 9/11 happened.

where’s your fucking proof that it has anything to do w/SH?

I’m suggesting that GWB has been hot to trot on this issue for what, about a month? he’s sent all of his trial balloons up every chance he’s had, sent his staff to tither and yon, called up every world leader he can.

Meanwhile, we’re still in Afghanistan, still don’t have a clue where Bin Laden is, still have quite a few folks being held in Gitmo, and don’t know what we’re going to do w/it, still have **domestic airport ** security problems, still have a sluggish economy, no longer have a surplus, budgeting woes going nuts.

and this is the time to talk about yet another excusion w/o support from most of our allies, and with our only evidence being several years old?

If he’s such a real threat that it demands immediate action, even w/o world support for our actions, then it certainly should have been a fucking real threat demanding immediate action even w/o world support for our actions 13 months ago (pre 9/11).

and it wasn’t.

Jeez, Milo you tried the ol’ “step into my bear trap” trick. I think that one is patented, you should ask for permission before you deploy it again.

Now, as to the UN…

Even as we speak, UN delegates are clamoring to express thier utter and complete solidarity with Our Leader. They likely would have carried him out on thier shoulders, save for his becoming, country-boy from Kennebunkport modesty. If only they had this evidence before! What a revelation! Even now, with CNN on, the lines are so clogged with UN delegates imploring our leadership, they can’t get any on the air, so overwhelmed are they!

Booshwah! Or rather, Bushwa.

Our Leader has already made it abundantly clear that the US will proceed regardless. So to what end this dog-and-pony show? To tick it off the list, nothing more. “Well, we went to the UN, what more do you want?”

A year ago, for the first time since God knows when, we had the sympathy and ear of the world. And we pissed it away with our arrogance and our self-righteous bloody mindedness.

A year ago, it was “OBL - dead or alive, here we come, ready or not” Now, they are all over the room, thumping each other heartily on the back for the Victory over the Taliban, how we wrested control of the Godforsaken Desert from their grasp! Well, whoop-de-fucka-doo!! Was there ever any doubt?

And Osama? The silence is deafening, and definitive.

The speech at the UN was a propaganda ploy, and nothing more. Even as I type, CNN reports Bushistas are scurrying about, trying to vote a resolution immediatly, at once. If the case is so strong, why the stampede? After ten long years, why the sheer desperation?

Perhaps the calender holds the answer? September…October…November.

Ah!

All evidence is several years old, eh?

With outside help, Saddam could have nuclear bomb within months

Saddam working on nukes, has uranium, may have 3 working nuclear weapons within 3 years

Nuclear equipment intercepted

UN head Inspector Richard Butler’s statement last month

your first two links suggest the same thing, that if he has outside help, he could have them w/in several years.

who’s the potential ‘outside help’?

where’s the evidence that it’s occured, about to occur, could occur will occur??

With outside help, I could have a million in the bank w/in 3 years, too.

the next cite is, as you say, from the inspector who hasn’t been there in 4 years. He’s giving his best opinion as to what may have transpired in the intervening time.

The big problem w/most of the WOMD was the delivery system. How to get the stuff from point A to point B. and while it’d be pretty damn easy to hide from sattelite photos etc vats of yucky stuff to be delivered, in order to use it in a conflict, you’d have to also test the delivery system. Where’s the evidence that he’s tested such missiles? surely that should be evident from satelite photos, recons flights etc.

the last is another equipment shipment that ‘could be used for this purpose’.

In order to have nukes, (according to the links) he has to have:

  1. the equipment (they claim he’s had that since 1991 - so, why the concern for additional equipment if he already had it?).

  2. The ‘know how’. they suspect that he has folks there who could do it.

  3. the raw materials. He doesn’t have it. From the first two links they still agree, he doesn’t have it, that he’d need to get it from somewhere else.
    So, from these links we see that: 1. He needs the raw materials, but doesn’t have them (not new info). 2. He’s importing stuff that ‘could be used for’ building. But since they’ve all along claimed that he had the facilities, just needed the raw materials, this again doesn’t amount to ‘new information’. 3. They think he could do it if he had the raw materials, if he perfected the delivery system, if he had help. again, nothing different from a decade ago.

Avalonian:

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See my point to wring. You may be interested to know that Kofi Annan agrees with me, judging by what he had to say prior to Bush’s speech today. Yes, he doesn’t want America to act unilaterally. But he also said that if Iraq doesn’t begin to comply with UN resolutions - not dink around like it has for 11 years, but actually comply - that the UN must act.

And the UN wasn’t taking that position until Bush held its feet to the fire.

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I wasn’t avoiding your question. Who says regime change = military action? BUSH doesn’t even say that!

He only says the U.S. is willing to do whatever is necessary to bring it about. He went to the UN today to express to those who have piddled around for the past several years a sense of urgency that they’ve been lacking. Fix the problem that you most definitely should be fixing, or the U.S. is concerned enough about it and what it means to them to fix it itself.

I’ll again urge you to read the U.N. resolutions. I’ve provided you with a link.

wring:

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I already answered your question, in my response to you. Read it.

9-11-01 doesn’t have to have anything to do with SH, to send a message that the U.S. needs to be proactive about SH.

If there are two nations on this earth that can’t take a sit, wait and react approach to Middle East aggressors and WMD developers, its the U.S. and Israel. Do you agree or disagree? Why?

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Nonsense. It was a key component to his State of the Union speech in January. After liberating Afghanistan from the Taliban, it became a much more prominent piece of his foreign policy.

(One could legitimately argue that it would be best if the U.S. focused more on unrooting the scattered Al Qaeda network throughout the world. But Bush seems to feel both can be done simultaneously. Given that Iraq will be a diplomatic effort, and then, probably, a conventional military one, and the Al Qaeda work will be largely law enforcement, intelligence and maybe some special ops, Bush may be right in his assessment.)

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Yet another “hindsight is 20/20” statement? I don’t play that game with your boy, Clinton. You shouldn’t, either.

How you can sit there with a straight face and say that 9/11 isn’t the catalyst for the new get-tough stance on Iraq, I just don’t know.

elucidator - I now see you don’t have any substantive answers to my substantive questions. Carry on with your “Bush-whacking,” and sorry to have bothered you.

Jesus Milo - the question to you was “re SH”, what has changed. and you replied 9/11. that’s not in relation to the question.

Koffi is demanding that Iraq comply w/prior resolutions. That is not the same as ‘agreeing’ with GWB. He was suggesting that it was in Iraq’s best interest to begin compliance. I agree.

And I’ve answered the question. Twice, now. How does someone not get that? It has absolutely nothing to do with ideology.

I’ve posed several questions to you, that you haven’t answered.

  1. Why does it matter if it’s “old news,” if it is true and has substance? What about the points, not their age?

  2. If there are two nations on this earth that can’t take a sit, wait and react approach to Middle East aggressors and WMD developers, its the U.S. and Israel. Do you agree or disagree? Why?

I’ll add a third:
3. Did Kofi Annan express that vehement a point on Iraq complying with Security Council resolutions until Bush started pushing the issue? Why do you suppose he waited.

IT matters that they’re ‘old points’ because the claim is that 'we must do something pronto, lest he do such and such. Except of course, that he hasn’t done such and such at all for the past decade. Ya know that ‘viable and imminent’ sort of stuff? the imminent tends to not be supported if the ‘viability’ has been in existence for a decade.

‘responding to’ is not the same as ‘answering’ BTW.

I have no idea what your second question is asking. All nations should fear WOMD. They’re {bad Dana Carvey} Bad, baaaad{/bad Dana Carvey}.

However, threatening first strike incursions into other nationstates is something else again. And that, is what GWB has been telling the world.

Let’s play this out - we are threatening ‘first strike’ action. (IE, simply invading, w/o specific provocation, all this saber rattling ain’t provocation. CLue #1 Our justification to the world for the prior Gulf action was SH’s ‘first strike’ invasion into Kuwait. ). We invade, kick ass.

then what?

We’ve just invaded w/o provocation another nation. That’s generally a very bad thing in the world’s eyes (remember, again, that was the UN’s justification for the first Gulf War against SH).

And we then claim , see, what we found and what he was gonna use against absolutely everybody??

Except of course, no one would believe us. We’d just invaded a country w/o provocation. Why should anyone believe us. Did we have believed SH’s justification for invading Kuwait?

GWB has been insisting to the world that he has evidence that SH is an immenient threat that needs to be addressed now, and that he’s going to back that up militarily (read invasion) even w/o support of allies. That requires an incredible level of justification - and repeating decade old grievances and wrongs just ain’t cutting it.

RE: would Koffi have yelled at SH? who knows. Are you know claiming that all this saber rattling and threats of invasion w/or /wo allies was just to goad Koffi into yelling at SH? INteresting theory.

Milo:

I think there are at least a couple of strong arguments for declaring war on Iraq. I’m not sure that they’re compelling arguments, but I admit that they have some weight.

  1. We should overthrow Saddam Hussein on humanitarian grounds. The gist of this claim is that the repression and human rights violations of the Iraqi regime morally compel us to act against him. The argument is often couched in a “how can you defend that butcher” kind of rhetoric.

    • We should overthrow SH because of he may have weapons of mass destruction*. The gist of this claim is that an Iraqi regime equipped with nuclear weapons could have, and probably would have, a profoundly destabilizing affect on the balance of power within the entire region.

Like I said, both of these arguments have some merit, but they are far from compelling. For example, with regard to argument 1: we could ask ourselves, why just Iraq? There are scores of countries with repressive governments, led by petty dictators. The US considers many of these regimes to be allies. Need I mention Saudi Arabia in this context?

Aside from that, there exists a profound conflict between our humanitarian aspirations, on the one hand, and the rules governing international relations, on the other. One of the primary guidelines in international relations, as you probably know, is the principle of national sovereignty. This principle guarantees a state complete power within the territory it claims as its own, and is recognized as belonging to it by the international community; it is, in effect, the basis for our current international system. The US government claims sovereignty over the continental United States, Alaska and Hawaii, for example, and would rightly regard any incursion in that territory by another nation as an act of war. But it is hypocritical for the US to insist upon this right for itself, while gratuitously denying it to other states simply because we do not like their domestic (or foreign) policies.

The crux of this dilemma, then, is that our humanitarian concerns often come into conflict with the rules of international law. That’s part of the reason why the UN is so circumspect when it comes to sanctioning unprovoked, unilateral (or even multilateral) intervention on such grounds, and does so only in times of direst need. The international community does not want to set a precedent of that kind, naturally, since it’s hard to see where it might lead; if Saudi Arabia votes in favor of action against Iraq on those grounds, for example, well – it might be next. Or to take a different example: if a majority of the countries in the UN decided to send a peace-keeping force to the US after the chaos of the last elections, would you consider it an invasion? To be honest, I don’t have a solution to this dilemma; I’m not sure there is a way of balancing these two principles against each other. But I think there is a kind of logic in the process of international relations that leads most states to follow the dictum, “Leave well enough alone.”

Then there is the problem, of course, of the US and Western Europe running around and imposing its secular, humanitarian values on areas of the world that might have different value systems. And of course, there’s the question of whether or not we really do have a duty to sacrifice our soldiers for the sake of people who live half a globe away, to solve a problem we never created in the first place.

The second argument, regarding the potentially destabilizing effect of nuclear weapons on the balance of power in the Middle East, also needs to be considered seriously. Even though I don’t think Saddam has WMD, nor do I believe that he is even close to being able to construct them, I have to ask myself – what if I’m wrong? Am I really willing to take that risk?

Naturally, an Iraqi regime backed with nuclear arms takes the whole scenario to an entirely different level, and I’m guessing that’s what has the administration so worried. It would be difficult indeed to continue enforcing a “no-fly zone” over a country armed with nukes. We would be forced to the negotiating table. And what if Saddam decides, for example, to retake Kuwait, this time with a nuclear missile pointed at, say, Tel Aviv?

But of course, those sorts of concerns backfire as well, really. We don’t know how close Iraq is to achieving nuclear weapons capacity, but I suspect that despite Saddam’s aggressive research programs, they are still quite a long way away. And I feel that if they were close, we would have significantly more substantial evidence of it. In addition, a unilateral US intervention could also be destabilizing, possibly in an unforeseeable manner. What do we do if the Kurds revolt and establish their own state in northern Iraq? And finally, as wring points out, we really are launching an unprovoked attack, because even if Iraq has these weapons, they haven’t done anything with them to us. No one has the right to invade the US because of its WMD, regardless of how idiotic (or insane) our leaders might sometimes appear to be; so we have to ask ourselves what gives us the right, unilaterally, to invade other countries for this reason.

This brings us to the question of Iraq’s refusal to comply with UN Security Resolutions. This is perhaps the most hypocritical argument of all. Let be that the US gratuitously ignores the UN whenever it pleases; the fact is, if failure to abide by UN resolutions is a good justification for invading a country, then we might as well saddle up and ride into Israel as well. Right? Or is it, rather, “okay” to ignore UN resolutions as long as you’re an ally, but grounds for invasion when you’re an official enemy?

The Bush administration has indicated that it would act unilaterally if the UN failed to back its war policies. If the US decides to invade Iraq, and the UN issues a resolution against such an invasion, then would your position be that it is incumbent upon the US to follow that resolution? Or should it go ahead and ignore it? If the US chooses to ignore the resolution, should it then afterwards invade itself for refusing to follow UN resolutions?

Or is it possible that we’re just trying find an excuse to invade Iraq?

Anyway, none of the above has much to do with Bush’s lame attempts to spin, lie, and exaggerate, which is what really gets my goat. Seriously, it takes a stretch of the imagination indeed to transform an impoverish Iraqi weapons program into a direct threat to the US, one that needs to be dealt with by force. But if the rest of the UN member states, on the other hand, come around to agreeing with the US position, then I would probably agree, too.

Oh, pish and tosh, Milo. What, you think you can assign me nine essay questions? To be graded by you? You get to define the terms, the questions, and the ground rules and I get to make a fool of myself. Puh-leeze.

Mama 'Lucidator didn’t raise nobody that damn dumb.

But to get to my point: I haven’t one. The case and points I might have made are being carried with complete adequacy, your argument is wearing its ass for a hat, what is there to add?

Not as eloquently, perhaps, nor with the same piquant wit…but with complete adequacy.