# U.S. allied with Israel- WHY? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 1, 2000, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224 "2000-11-01T12:39:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/21 "2000-11-03T06:32:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by JDeMobray \* > **Hey, if we’re handing out baseball teams, I’ll take the Expos. I think I could even afford their payroll.** Those of us around Washington, DC are waiting very patiently for the Expos, thank you very much. ---
**Author:** ![theuglytruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@theuglytruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theuglytruth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/22 "2000-11-03T14:05:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brainz \* > \*\*Astorian: Get with it. You have been listening to the holocaust crap too long! It is because the Jews have so much influence in US politics. Check out who controls most $$$$,Banks, and Industry in the US. They also control the politicians making decisions. I am so sick of hearing about the fucking holocaust I could just scream. Some where in the media or TV(Jewish controlled) someone again is driving it down your throat! People are starting to say enough is enough!That is history, the past, we have forgotten the Alamo, letting in all the illegal aliens in from Mexico.(Give gore the job and he will makem all citizens)We have forgotten Pearl Harbor coveting to japan. You have forgiven hanoi jane giving her the Braves and indian chop! So lets forget the fucking jewish holocaust,Bad people caused it NOT ME not US or my generation! Lets concentrate on NOW, TODAY, To dwell on the past just slows progress! \*\* The John Birch Society checking in, Ladies and Germs. ---
**Author:** ![theuglytruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@theuglytruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theuglytruth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/23 "2000-11-03T14:06:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Montfort \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by JDeMobray \* > > **Hey, if we’re handing out baseball teams, I’ll take the Expos. I think I could even afford their payroll.** > > Those of us around Washington, DC are waiting very patiently for the Expos, thank you very much. \*\* Jeez. How desperate are you guys for baseball if you are begging for the Expos? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/24 "2000-11-03T15:50:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brainz \* > It is because the Jews have so much influence in US politics. Check out who controls most $$$$,Banks, and Industry in the US. They also control the politicians making decisions. **Zev** , **cmkeller** , listen - I have a great investment opportunity, but I need $45 million. Could you get your banks to arrange that for me? Also, if the investment goes forward, I’m going to need some zoning variances and a few regulations changed. Have your political lap-dogs give me a call. Sua[“All hail the ZOG”]Sponte ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/25 "2000-11-03T16:37:46Z")
SuaSponte: > [@](#): > > Zev, cmkeller, listen - I have a great investment opportunity, but I need $45 million. Could you get your banks to arrange that for me? Also, if the investment goes forward, I’m going to need some zoning variances and a few regulations changed. Have your political lap-dogs give me a call. Shoot, no can do. My political lap-dogs are out chanting “Amen for Israel” and my money is tied up in controlling the media to suppress Palestinian casualties. Maybe Zev’s got it… Chaim Mattis Keller ---
**Author:** ![sdimbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sdimbert/32/20204_2.png) [@sdimbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sdimbert)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/26 "2000-11-03T16:54:54Z")
**SuaSponte** :\ ***Zev** , **cmkeller** , listen - I have a great investment opportunity… \* Leave me out, huh? Not very nice. Not very bright, either. Listen, bSS\*\*, tonight, around 11:15, someone is going to knock at your door. Do me a favor, OK? Answer it. [DR EVIL} Ha ha… HA HA HA! [/DR EVIL] ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/27 "2000-11-03T17:13:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SuaSponte \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Brainz \* > > It is because the Jews have so much influence in US politics. Check out who controls most $$$$,Banks, and Industry in the US. They also control the politicians making decisions. > > **Zev** , **cmkeller** , listen - I have a great investment opportunity, but I need $45 million. Could you get your banks to arrange that for me? Also, if the investment goes forward, I’m going to need some zoning variances and a few regulations changed. Have your political lap-dogs give me a call. > > Sua[“All hail the ZOG”]Sponte \*\* Sorry, no can do. I’ve got all my ZOG-bucks tied up in the media for election season. Gotta make sure the elections come out right 🙂 Try me again after inauguration day. Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Ptahlis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a8b319/32.png) [@Ptahlis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ptahlis)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/28 "2000-11-03T17:48:22Z")
My nominee for the least appropriate username ever goes to Brainz. Now excuse me while I wash my monitor. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/29 "2000-11-03T18:17:36Z")
I’d like to point out that the media bias has actually been painting Israel very badly and been very pro-Palestine. Look at the fact that they keep saying that Ariel Sharon going to a contested site was enough of a reason to start all the violence. Then check out how the Palestinians send children to throw rocks at armed soldiers with armed Hamas in the middle of the crowd also shooting at Israeli soldiers so that CNN cameras will pick it up and we can watch the slaughter of “innocents” at the hands of the bloodthirsty Israelis all day on the all pornography all day news channel. Also while you are looking into this, read the articles where they neglect to point out that whenever Israel launches a missile attack that they warn the Palestinians 3-4 hours in advance telling them which targets they are going to hit. Also look for the NY Times where it shows an Israeli soldier standing over a bloody man with his rifle on the front page. After you do that, please look for the Times where they post a retraction for that picture NOT ON THE FRONT page about how that soldier had actually pulled that bloody man, also and Israeli soldier from a crowd of rioters. The United States gets as much from being allies with the Israelis as they do from us but that’s been addressed in this thread sufficiently. Thank you and good luck. ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/30 "2000-11-03T18:48:49Z")
> [@](#): > > Astorian: Get with it. You have been listening to the holocaust crap too long! It is because the Jews have so much influence in US politics. Check out who controls most $$$$,Banks, and Industry in the US. They also control the politicians making decisions. I am so sick of hearing about the fucking holocaust I could just scream. Some where in the media or TV(Jewish controlled) someone again is driving it down your throat! People are starting to say enough is enough!That is history, the past, we have forgotten the Alamo, letting in all the illegal aliens in from Mexico.(Give gore the job and he will makem all citizens)We have forgotten Pearl Harbor coveting to japan. You have forgiven hanoi jane giving her the Braves and indian chop! So lets forget the fucking jewish holocaust,Bad people caused it NOT ME not US or my generation! Lets concentrate on NOW, TODAY, To dwell on the past just slows progress! I don’t know where to start on this piece of crap, (and since you introduced the tone into this thread), I believe you are sitting on your user name! This sounds very similar to some Arian Nation garbage I just read in an article. I’m glad to say it was describing the terrible situation the Arian Nation leader has found himself in, facing a lawsuit that could releive him of the compound where he houses his wonderful jew-hating organization. The only reason I bring this up is that you have almost quoted the man with your “Check out who controls most $$$$,Banks, and Industry in the US. They also control the politicians making decisions.” Since you’re in GD, let’s see some backup for this outrageous shit. and your “So lets forget the fucking jewish holocaust,Bad people caused it NOT ME not US or my generation! Lets concentrate on NOW, TODAY, To dwell on the past just slows progress!” Sure, let’s toss that nasty old Holocaust thing out and start fresh. I did not see anyone implying that the US had anything to do with causing the Holocaust, nor asking for damages, so why all the hate crap? You are in the wrong place for this sort of nonsence. You have a right to your opinion, but I aslo have a right to say “fuck you very much, shithead”, for promoting stereo types. ---
**Author:** ![Iolanthe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7bcc69/32.png) [@Iolanthe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iolanthe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/31 "2000-11-03T22:54:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by theuglytruth \* > Jeez. How desperate are you guys for baseball if you are begging for the Expos? 🙂 \*\* Pretty damn desperate, thanks. Of course, if my branch (DC chapter) of the ZOG had _any_ sort of control, we’d have had a baseball team down here _years_ ago. Damn New Yorkers… ---
**Author:** ![avacado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47774/32.png) [@avacado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/avacado)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2000, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/32 "2000-11-03T23:05:08Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by mswas \* > \*\* …on the all pornography all day news channel._\* ahh, i knew giving up cable tv involved sacrifices, but i never thought it’d be like this ;). ---
**Author:** ![theuglytruth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@theuglytruth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theuglytruth)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/33 "2000-11-04T06:24:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Iolanthe \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by theuglytruth \* > > Jeez. How desperate are you guys for baseball if you are begging for the Expos? 🙂 \*\* > > Pretty damn desperate, thanks. > > Of course, if my branch (DC chapter) of the ZOG had _any_ sort of control, we’d have had a baseball team down here _years_ ago. Damn New Yorkers… \*\* That’s Damn YANKEES to you! You evil Zionist! ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2000, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/34 "2000-11-04T09:14:26Z")
**tradesilicon** > [@](#): > > You have a right to your opinion, but I aslo have a right to say “fuck you very much, shithead”, for promoting stereo types. [Moderator Hat ON] Oh, of course you have that right, tradesilicon. But if you ever wanted to directly call someone in particular a shithead for promoting baseless stereotypes, you’d do it in the Pit and not Great Debates, right? 🙂 [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![tradesilicon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tradesilicon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tradesilicon)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/35 "2000-11-06T18:04:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh, of course you have that right, tradesilicon. But if you ever wanted to directly call someone in particular a shithead for promoting baseless stereotypes, you’d do it in the Pit and not Great Debates, right? Sorry Gaudere. You’re right, but she/he is not worth the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Iolanthe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7bcc69/32.png) [@Iolanthe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iolanthe)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/36 "2000-11-06T20:33:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by theuglytruth \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Iolanthe \* > > Damn New Yorkers… \*\* > > That’s Damn YANKEES to you! You evil Zionist! ☹ \*\* I’m a Red Sox fan. My only distinction between New York teams is ‘which one should I hate more today?’ Unless, of course, that was a reference to my southern roots. Lilah Tov, y’all. ---
**Author:** ![mipsman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mipsman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mipsman)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2000, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/37 "2000-11-07T02:50:27Z")
I think you folks are making a mistake by dismissing anyone who does not like Jews as a member of the Aryan Nation or other skinhead-like organization. Also, if I might mix a religous metaphor, you seem to be preaching to your choir in your denunciations of any perceived anti-Jewish comment. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2000, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/38 "2000-11-07T03:05:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mipsman \* > \*\*I think you folks are making a mistake by dismissing anyone who does not like Jews as a member of the Aryan Nation or other skinhead-like organization. Also, if I might mix a religous metaphor, you seem to be preaching to your choir in your denunciations of any perceived anti-Jewish comment. \*\* If I could butt into a thread I haven’t posted in yet, upon reading this, I don’t see anyone saying “Anyone who doesn’t like Jews is a skinhead” There are Jews I don’t like (certain members of my family come to mind.) I do, think, though, that most posters here would agree that people who don’t like Jews because they’re Jews haven’t neccesarily thought their thinking out completely (That sentence started out making sense…). Since the goal of the Straight Dope is to fight ignorance, do you have any suggestions of where I could go to argue against anti-Jewish comments where I wouldn’t be “preaching to the choir”? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2000, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224/39 "2000-11-07T03:57:53Z")
**Mipsman** , I know where you’re going. You’re going to say that Jews are a religion, and here at the SMDB we make a habit of attacking religions and religious people. Well, for some that may be true. But for others, Jews are not only a religion, but also a race. Attacks upon members of a race in general, or on a percieved nature of a race, or on generalized actions of a race, is racism. And racism - unless I am very much mistaken - is not accepted in the SMDB. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-allied-with-israel-why/39224.md?page=1)