Can someone provide a cite that the woman was subjected to a perp walk? Because there’s a lot of references to perp walks, including the mention of Dominique Strauss-Kahn, but I haven’t seen any pictures of her in handcuffs. I would think that if there were a perp walk, those pictures would be everywhere by now.
And if there wasn’t a perp walk, I think that’s evidence that the US authorities did not make the arrest into a spectacle.
Indeed. Perhaps the US accepted both the outcome and the precedent from the Davis incident, and is now applying it faithfully in the current incident.
My personal views are not important my friend. India believes that the treatment was humiliating for those charges for a person who enjoys the immunity that she does. It’s up to the US to now respond.India is clearly upset.
I will repeat myself if you want - if the US still does nothing about it, India should interprete the immunity in such a way that it upsets the US but obviously in a way which is not illegal as per Indian law.
Apologies, I thought I intended to quote Bricker and I don’t know how your name ended up in the quote.
I’m not asking about your personal views. I am asking about the factual citations presented to you. You have advanced certain claims – for instance, you asserted (without recourse to citation) that this was not a “grave crime” within the meaning of the Convention on Consular Relations. I provided caselaw and citation to statute showing that it was. You have ignored these rebuttals, even though they appear to completely eviscerate your uncited claim.
Are you going to address them?
What the hell are you talking about?
I am gonna post a video with very important and relevant details in some time. It seems India had sent multiple emails since June which America didn’t reply to. Emails were asking about the whereabouts of the maid. She was supposed to work for 7 months after which she went absconding. She was in a way blackmailing. The US state department itself may be embarrassed at this time at the episode which is why they are taking time to respond and saying they are looking into the matter. Will get back with the link to a video with important details.
So, I guess we’ve moved on from “they can’t arrest her for this crime under the Vienna convention” to “she didn’t commit the crime”?
There certainly may be an immigration matter if a person comes to the United States on a work visa and then does something that they are not allowed to do. But the implication in your post is that the United States government is somehow responsible to make sure that an employee meets her contractual commitments to her employer. That’s generally a civil matter between private individuals, and it isn’t up to the police to force people to go to work. That is especially true if the allegations of maltreatment are true: you expect the cops to go looking for someone who ditches their job because they are only getting 10% of their promised pay?
The idea that the United States is supposed to entertain this grossly offensive sense of entitlement and privilege is extremely offensive to me. It isn’t our job to enforce your sense of class and power.
Or she did commit the crime but the maid committed one too? Huh.
And does this video also address the question of “grave” meaning a felony, or the issue of providing false visa application information being a felony?
Nothing you describe above about the video is remotely relevant to the crime of providing false information on a visa application, is it?
I don’t know the actual facts of the case, so I’m not not going to hold forth on it. There’s probably more to this than we know. I would like to say however, that the ‘slavery’ nonsense that’s being touted in this thread is ridiculous, and the people who’re going on about it should be ashamed. The maid was promised INR 30,000 per month, and she was provided room and board over and above that. INR 30,000 a month is a pretty good salary by Indian standards. I was making roughly that much as a masters graduate of a premier Indian university last year (although admittedly I was working in development, which doesn’t pay as highly as some). Those jumping to judgement should take a step back.
Why does the Indian salary standard matter? Consider. The woman who was brought over as a maid would not have otherwise earned an American salary. She would have earned an Indian salary as a maid, which would have been much less than the salary that she WAS making under the Indian consular officer. So she was definitely better off than she would have been had she remained in India, which she would have, IF she had to have been paid US minimum wage. The contract at INR 30,000 was the only thing that allowed her to be in the US in the first place. Why did she abscond? Because once she was in America, with a visa that she would not have otherwise gotten, yes she was even better off by reneging on the contract she had with the consular officer.
As such to jump to high moral ground on behalf of the poor slave is a shaky position to take. Far better to argue that the consular officer simply shouldn’t have lied on the application form. Adding in room and board and other payments in kind would have been a better approach for her to take. As things stand, she was in the wrong. Was the US response commensurate to the crime and the sensitivity of the situation? No, and I suspect that there’s more to the story. It was probably a calculated step taken by the US, and it was done for a reason. If it wasn’t, it was a pretty stupid thing to do.
30,000 INR is about 483 USD. Not real generous here. And if that was the contract, why did the official put a far higher amount on the paperwork?
To add a factoid - the money a fresh Indian Administrative Services recruit gets in India is INR 38000 a month. This would be perhaps a grade or two lower than the consular officer in question.
That’s the thing - the maid wasn’t competing ‘there’. She was getting a far higher pay than she could have ever expected to make, had not this evil woman decided to exploit her so cruelly. As for the paperwork, I’ve already stated that was a wrong and illegal decision, an she shouldn’t have done it.
Look, buddy, India can set whatever minimum wage laws they want to. But when you’re here, you gotta follow US laws.
And one of our laws happens to be that a contract cannot compel you to work, so whatever agreement she signed in India that might have been, if not slavery, then indentured servitude, is totally irrelevant. We got rid of indentured servitude here, and that’s kind of important to us as a nation.
And guess what? The US is not obligated to enforce the visas of other countries. If we want her here, that’s too bad for y’all, unless she’s extraditable. I see nothing to indicate that she is.
The “slavery” nonsense may or may not be nonsense, but your post certainly lends credence to the accusation.
Cost of living comparison between NYC and Delhi
483 USD won’t go far here.
Wouldn’t really go very far there, either.
Also: if she’d stayed behind in India, her boss would have likely hired someone else–someone from the US. I have no problem with that job going to an Indian instead of to a US citizen, but it’s not like it would have been a tragedy if a US citizen had gotten the job instead, along with getting legally-required benefits like minimum wage.
And the minimum wage in New York for the most menial full time job you can think of is INR 72,000 a month. That’s the law here.
If we were to adopt what you’re proposing – that workers from other countries should be entitled to an average wage in their home country – then would you find it okay for US companies to import Chinese factory workers who make $1.50 an hour, as opposed to the average US wage of $24 an hour for that same work?
You’re still spewing nonsense. I haven’t stated that the woman should be compelled to work, nor can it happen in India, and I have no idea where you’re getting the idea, it certainly can’t be from my post.
I’m simply saying that if you somehow say that this woman was being exploited by being offered INR 30,000 plus room and board to work as a maid in NY, you’re wrong. She was in the US, and subject to US minimum wage laws, only because the consular officer gave her a deal that was far better than any Indian maid gets. She was far better off than she would have been without the offer. Once she has the offer and the visa, she has found a way to make herself even better off, and more power to her, but it isn’t some sort of unassailable morally ‘correct’ position.