# U.S. intercepts capture senior Russian officials celebrating Trump win. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 6, 2017, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441 "2017-01-06T03:08:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/141 "2017-01-08T00:43:21Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Tell donnie and his minions. I already voted and I lost. > > I don’t know that I would fetishize “big” and “strong” and “GDP” as the criteria for dangerous. There is such a thing as assymetrical war. In fact that’s the current reality much more so than the opposite. Yup, North Korea’s GDP sucks, but their capacity and willingness to harm the US are relatively high. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/142 "2017-01-08T02:36:14Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Is it the [Washington Post reporting the story](http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2017/01/01/fake-news-and-how-the-washington-post-rewrote-its-story-on-russian-hacking-of-the-power-grid/#3708a6c9291e)? If so, yes, I’m skeptical. No fair moving the goal posts. We were talking about your level of trust in the information provided by the US intelligence community. Whether it’s WaPo or NYT or Fox News reporting that Russians are planning a cyber attack on some part of the US infrastructure, is irrelevant. Are you going to believe US intelligence community reporting a cyber attack the same way you claimed you’d believe them if they were reporting a terrorist attack? > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t want / need any evidence on your citizenship. If you say you are, that’s good enough for purposes of this discussion because it doesn’t make any material difference one way or the other. I wasn’t trying to cast doubt on it or anything, just didn’t want to be “assuming your nationality” and be wrong. If you want to run for president, it might be nice to see the evidence. \… I thought this was a hypothetical with respect to me being accused of being a terrorist by US intelligence and you wanting evidence before agreeing with their decision to bring me to justice. \ ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/143 "2017-01-08T02:59:19Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > No fair moving the goal posts. We were talking about your level of trust in the information provided by the US intelligence community. Whether it’s WaPo or NYT or Fox News reporting that Russians are planning a cyber attack on some part of the US infrastructure, is irrelevant. Are you going to believe US intelligence community reporting a cyber attack the same way you claimed you’d believe them if they were reporting a terrorist attack? There’s a difference between forewarning of danger and trying to ascertain the motives (or identities, in case of cyber attacks) of bad actors after the fact. If they’re forewarning of danger, and there’s a minimal effort I can make to avoid it, I will. In your example of “Russia was planning a cyber attack to shut down the North East power grid”, if I lived in the northeast, I might go buy a generator and fuel. I don’t require an overly-high bar of evidence to take simple precautions. Worst case scenario, I have a never-been-used generator at the end of it. On the other hand, if they want to convince me that Putin was twirling his mustache like a super-villain while reading Podesta’s emails, I’d like a bit of evidence for how they know that besides just taking their word for it. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > \… I thought this was a hypothetical with respect to me being accused of being a terrorist by US intelligence and you wanting evidence before agreeing with their decision to bring me to justice. \ My hypothetical assumed you were an American citizen. It wasn’t necessary for you to prove it for the hypothetical. That was my point. Apologies for the confusion. ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/144 "2017-01-08T04:34:48Z")
> [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > OK, a [few](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/14/dnc-hillary-clinton-emails-hacked-russia-aide-typo-investigation-finds)[facts](http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russia-hack-u-s-politics-bigger-disclosed-includes-gop-n661866)that always get missed in these “the election was hacked!” threads: > > 1. There was no DNC focused ‘hacking’, there were wide spread email phishing attempts - the same type you and I get almost daily in our own inboxes. > 2. These phishing emails were sent to hundreds of political officials, both Democrat and Republican > 3. Only 2 were known to have succeeded - the one sent to John Podesta and one to former DNC official Rinehart > 4. Podesta’s was by far the most damaging, allowing access to over 60,000 emails on his gmail account. > 5. The Obama administration, the FBI and the DNC all squandered opportunities to minimize the damage > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t want to speak for **Doctor Jackson** , but I think the emphasis was on “DNC focused” not ‘hacking’. The point I took away from it at least was that Putin wasn’t twirling his mustache and saying “Go forth my minions and hack the DNC!” He just told them to go forth and collect intel, and happened to get a hit on Podesta being dumb. A lot of misinformation here trying to minimize this and blame it on Podesta being dumb. First, Podesta’s email was separate from the DNC hack. They only got into Podesta’s email, but they also got into the DNC network twice. So please drop the “none of this would have happened if it weren’t for Podesta” nonsense. If you want to say a phishing attack doesn’t qualify as a hack, whatever, but the hackers got onto the DNC network and installed tools from a sophisticated suite of custom built malware (that is not available or used by anyone but Russia, in case you’re wondering) on the DNC network and exfiltrated files over an extended period of time. Is that good enough to be called a hack? Yes others were targeted as well, and there were more than the two listed above that were successful. Colin Powell is one. But no information was leaked on anyone but Democrats. Was it because Podesta’s emails were so juicy that they had to see the light of day? No, they were boring as shit. But coupled with propaganda, fake news and botnets, it had an impact. The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee was also hacked, and guess what, the hackers fed information stolen from the Democrats running for congress directly to their republican opponents and selected media contacts. Russia just undertook a widespread effort to derail the campaign of every single democrat up for election, but please continue telling us how the Democrats weren’t targeted and all these hacks are Podesta’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/145 "2017-01-08T04:38:01Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > How does one explain the GOP hypocrisy where a huge percentage of Republicans believed that Obama was a Kenyan with absolutely no evidence, but refuse to accept the Russian involvement in our election with the joint statement of all of US intelligence? I’d have to imagine one’s personality would cleave in two trying to keep those two beliefs in one’s head simultaneously. Obama’s father is Kenyan and Obama spent years overseas in an Indonesian school, he has a foreign sounding name, and there’s a picture of him dressed in a turban. It’s stupid, but you can understand the germ of the idea. What’s more bewildering is they think a billionaire who stiffs his vendors and ran a fraudulent university is a hero of the working class. Class consciousness isn’t in America’s vocabulary. ---
**Author:** ![voltaire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voltaire/32/313_2.png) [@voltaire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/voltaire)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/146 "2017-01-08T04:45:04Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > On the other hand, if they want to convince me that Putin was twirling his mustache like a super-villain while reading Podesta’s emails, I’d like a bit of evidence for how they know that besides just taking their word for it. You’d like it, but you must realize why expecting them to provide you with such probative evidence is unreasonable, right? The good news is that a reasonably intelligent person that can parse a bit of technical jargon can form a solid conclusion based on the freely available circumstantial evidence. If you’re reasonably sure of OJ’s guilt, you can be reasonably sure of Putin’s. If you don’t want to read through or believe the declassified official report, it’s not really necessary. If you want all the details and full-on jargon with an assist from some illustrative infographics, [check this out.](https://www.secureworks.com/research/threat-group-4127-targets-google-accounts) If you want the Twitter/summary version of the above, just [read all the posts of user pwnallthethings here](https://mobile.twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816621553643294720), where he explains why a 14 year old on his bed was most certainly not capable of this. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/147 "2017-01-08T05:40:51Z")
> [@drad\_dog](#): > > Tell donnie and his minions. I already voted and I lost. > > I don’t know that I would fetishize “big” and “strong” and “GDP” as the criteria for dangerous. There is such a thing as assymetrical war. In fact that’s the current reality much more so than the opposite. What’s the worst ISIS could do to the US? Even the damage of 9/11 is overblown. Bush did an order of magnitude more damage to the US with his shitty policies than the most effective terrorist attack of all time. It’s not about GDP or size, but both those things help give capacity to cause damage. ISIS cannot cause that much damage to the US. The only significant damage they can cause is by goading us into a shitty response, not on their own. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/148 "2017-01-08T10:33:06Z")
[Trump: Only ‘stupid’ people, fools oppose better Russia ties.](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-russia-hacks-20170107-story.html) Imagine that. Trump referring to stupid people and fools. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/149 "2017-01-08T11:31:56Z")
[‘What’s the Big Deal?’ Ask Trump Voters on Russia Hacking Report.](http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/07/us/russia-hacking-election-trump-voters.html) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/150 "2017-01-08T16:05:21Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > There’s a difference between forewarning of danger and trying to ascertain the motives (or identities, in case of cyber attacks) of bad actors after the fact. If they’re forewarning of danger, and there’s a minimal effort I can make to avoid it, I will. In your example of “Russia was planning a cyber attack to shut down the North East power grid”, if I lived in the northeast, I might go buy a generator and fuel. I don’t require an overly-high bar of evidence to take simple precautions. Worst case scenario, I have a never-been-used generator at the end of it. > > On the other hand, if they want to convince me that Putin was twirling his mustache like a super-villain while reading Podesta’s emails, I’d like a bit of evidence for how they know that besides just taking their word for it. So the extent of your trust in the intelligence community is not whether or not they are capable of detecting, assessing, countermanding and informing the American public of cyber threats to various institutions (public and private), is dictated by whether or not you can take relatively simple steps to minimize such impact as to least inconvenience you… Is that about right? > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > My hypothetical assumed you were an American citizen. It wasn’t necessary for you to prove it for the hypothetical. That was my point. Apologies for the confusion. Still have no idea where you were going with this. Doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2017, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/151 "2017-01-08T19:21:49Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > Although Ukraine hadn’t had their revolution yet, which Putin blamed on the US… It’s almost like we’re taking turns firing geo-political potshots. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/152 "2017-01-09T14:09:56Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > A lot of misinformation here trying to minimize this and blame it on Podesta being dumb. First, Podesta’s email was separate from the DNC hack. They only got into Podesta’s email, but they also got into the DNC network twice. So please drop the “none of this would have happened if it weren’t for Podesta” nonsense. The “hackers” gained access to Podesta’s 60k emails on his private gmail server. Those were the emails that were leaked and that was the door into the DNC servers. > [@Fubaya](#): > > If you want to say a phishing attack doesn’t qualify as a hack, whatever, but the hackers got onto the DNC network and installed tools from a sophisticated suite of custom built malware (that is not available or used by anyone but Russia, in case you’re wondering) on the DNC network and exfiltrated files over an extended period of time. Is that good enough to be called a hack? Not a particularly good one. Again, read the cites. Had the breach been handled competently when it was found, there likely would have been minimal damage. It was bungling by the DNC, FBI and administration that allowed the breach to continue for 7 months. > [@Fubaya](#): > > Yes others were targeted as well, and there were more than the two listed above that were successful. Colin Powell is one. But no information was leaked on anyone but Democrats. Was it because Podesta’s emails were so juicy that they had to see the light of day? No, they were boring as shit. But coupled with propaganda, fake news and botnets, it had an impact. Please cite that other emails were obtained but not released. All of the cites that I have seen indicted only Podesta and the DNC were breached to the extent that emails were downloaded. > [@Fubaya](#): > > The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee was also hacked, and guess what, the hackers fed information stolen from the Democrats running for congress directly to their republican opponents and selected media contacts. Interesting, yet unsubstantiated theory. I see nothing online that references DNCC emails going to republican candidates other than the manner that Wikileaks published to everyone. > [@Fubaya](#): > > Russia just undertook a widespread effort to derail the campaign of every single democrat up for election, but please continue telling us how the Democrats weren’t targeted and all these hacks are Podesta’s fault. Nope. The motivation for Russia is to destabilize the US political process in general. One of the motivations of Julian Assange was to hurt Clinton. Had there been an RNC breach, those emails would have gone up for sale as well. Wikileaks may not have bought them and likely wouldn’t have published them if they did, but it’s unlikely Assange would have spent money to buy something only to hide it. His end game is three fold: 1) make money; 2) be famous; and 3) stir up discord for those he doesn’t like. Get the players right or you’ll never understand the game. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/153 "2017-01-09T16:32:29Z")
Assange\* paid \*for the hacked info? News to me. Cite? > [@](#): > > …Had there been an RNC breach, those emails would have gone up for sale as well… Well, why not? If, as you say, it was all about the ching-ching? Because the Pubbies are too smart for that to happen, too tech-savvy? The alternative explanation would be that they didn’t want to. But you have reliable information that this is not the case? In your haste, you neglected to provide it. But now is a good time! ---
**Author:** ![Fubaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@Fubaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fubaya)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/154 "2017-01-10T00:50:23Z")
> [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > The “hackers” gained access to Podesta’s 60k emails on his private gmail server. Those were the emails that were leaked and that was the door into the DNC servers. Those were some of the emails. Emails from the DNC network were also released, and documents and emails from the DCCC hack were also released. I’m a bit curious how the hackers stealing Podesta’s gmail password got them onto the DNC network. Care to elaborate? > [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > Not a particularly good one. Again, read the cites. Had the breach been handled competently when it was found, there likely would have been minimal damage. It was bungling by the DNC, FBI and administration that allowed the breach to continue for 7 months. Wait, you said Podesta’s gmail was used to get into the DNC. Podesta’s gmail was hacked for two days. They got his password on March 19th 2016 and lost access two days later on March 21st (that’s Saturday to Monday). How is Podesta’s gmail hack in March 2016 responsible for the DNC hack in 2015, or the DCCC and the other DNC hack later in 2016? > [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > Please cite that other emails were obtained but not released. All of the cites that I have seen indicted only Podesta and the DNC were breached to the extent that emails were downloaded. Have you not even heard of the DCCC hack? Anyway, “Russia collected on some Republican affiliated targets but did not conduct a comparable disclosure campaign.” - the unclassified intelligence report. [Or](http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/russian-hack-donald-trump-2016-election/),\* Russian hackers breached GOP individuals and organizations prior to the election, including Republican House members, thought leaders and non-profits to the GOP, a former senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the hack investigation told CNN.\* Of course, Republicans deny this but in that same article admit that their staffers were hacked. _Republican National Committee officials have repeatedly denied that their systems were breached, insisting instead that only individual staffers’ accounts were hacked._ I haven’t see any releases from them and I seriously doubt only a few low ranking nobodies got hacked. > [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > Interesting, yet unsubstantiated theory. I see nothing online that references DNCC emails going to republican candidates other than the manner that Wikileaks published to everyone. Yeah I take that back. Guccifer offered them to opponents and select media and I was sure I read somewhere of details of opponents getting documents from Guccifer but I can’t find it now. He did feed docs to right wing blogs. > [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > Nope. The motivation for Russia is to destabilize the US political process in general. You can’t say that with any confidence and it goes against what the intelligence community concludes and they put a lot more work into it than you did. > [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > One of the motivations of Julian Assange was to hurt Clinton. Assange wasn’t behind the hacks. > [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > Had there been an RNC breach, those emails would have gone up for sale as well. Cite that the other documents were sold? > [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > Wikileaks may not have bought them and likely wouldn’t have published them if they did, but it’s unlikely Assange would have spent money to buy something only to hide it. His end game is three fold: 1) make money; 2) be famous; and 3) stir up discord for those he doesn’t like. Get the players right or you’ll never understand the game. You definitely don’t know Assange. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/155 "2017-01-10T04:46:06Z")
The New York Review of Books has a good article about the latest intelligence report: “…On Friday, when the report appeared, the major newspapers came out with virtually identical headlines highlighting the agencies’ finding that Russian president Vladimir Putin ordered an ‘influence campaign’ to help Donald Trump win the presidency—a finding the agencies say they hold ‘with high confidence.’ A close reading of the report shows that it barely supports such a conclusion. Indeed, it barely supports any conclusion…” The article then proceeds to dissect the report in devastating detail. > **[Russia, Trump & Flawed Intelligence | Masha Gessen](https://www.nybooks.com/online/2017/01/09/russia-trump-election-flawed-intelligence/)** > > A close reading of the intelligence report on Russian interference in the US election shows that it does nothing to clarify the abnormalities of Trump’s campaign and election. Instead, it suggests that the US intelligence agencies’ Russia expertise... It’s been clear for several years that the US intelligence agencies have been trying to stir up a new cold (or hot) war against Russia. Their propaganda has largely been accepted by the media and public. Trump has very few good points, but one of them is that he won’t be a patsy of the intelligence agencies. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/156 "2017-01-10T07:27:34Z")
So, they were all in on it? What was it, seventeen different intelligence entities? Was this a directed conspiracy, with a kingpin convincing all the others to fall into line? Or was it a spontaneous thing, and just miraculously simultaneous? The author of this story tells rather a different version in today’s LA Times > **[Patt Morrison Asks: Vladimir Putin biographer Masha Gessen on Russia, Trump...](https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-patt-morrison-asks-masha-gessen-putin-20160803-snap-story.html)** > > Russia flies a different flag now, but its song remains the same — the tune of the Russian Federation anthem is the old Soviet Union’s, unchanged. She’s a bit confusing, but it seems to boil down to two Russian intelligence operations working entirely ignorant of each other, with neither actually reporting to Putin. And while they definitely hoped to sow dissension and distrust, they did not actually work towards helping Trump, even as much as they preferred him. So, the “K” in “KGB” stands for Keystone Kops? They blundered in, stumbled around, and scored a coup. OK. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/157 "2017-01-10T10:12:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, they were all in on it? What was it, seventeen different intelligence entities? Don’t be silly. Almost entirely the CIA. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/158 "2017-01-10T13:00:11Z")
What I want to know is why the lying media isn’t reporting on all those Russians dancing in the streets of New Jersey at Trump’s victory. Sad! > [@aldiboronti](#): > > It’s perfectly natural that they should celebrate a Trump victory, just as Western leaders celebrated when Medvedev took over the Russian Presidency (failing to realize that Putin was still very much in control.) I’m curious who these Western leaders were who failed to realize that Putin was still very much in control, because it was widely and publicly discussed in the media and political think tank reports at the time that Medvedev was Putin’s puppet, put in place to allow him to circumvent term limit issues. Putin wasn’t exactly subtle about it. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And I really don’t buy the “you Democrats just want to go to war with Russia” Bullshit that I hear from certain facebook acquaintances. Just like Reagan wanted to go to war with the Soviet Union when he demanded they tear down the Berlin Wall. And we all know how much Republicans opposed that approach. > [@Doctor\_Jackson](#): > > If someone in the RNC had screwed up and allowed access to sensitive emails, would they have been published? I think they would because I believe the motive was one or more of three things - 1) simple lolz; 2) profit from selling emails to Wikileaks; and/or 3) to destabilize the US political system in general. In any case, had there been an RNC breech, it would have shed much more light on the motivation. Since we’ve already established that there were GOP breaches, you might want to consider a fourth motive: 4) to hold embarrassing (or worse) material on the Republicans you’ve just helped put in power and then use that material to “influence” them into doing what you want. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441/159 "2017-01-10T14:36:18Z")
> [@Fubaya](#): > > Those were some of the emails. Emails from the DNC network were also released, and documents and emails from the DCCC hack were also released. > > I’m a bit curious how the hackers stealing Podesta’s gmail password got them onto the DNC network. Care to elaborate? > ::major snip:: Please read the cites I provided. If you wish to dispute those cites, please provide other, reliable sources. I’m presenting what I have read as facts, if there is verified contradicting info I’ll be glad to read it. ---
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> [@Gyrate](#): > > Since we’ve already established that there were GOP breaches … When was this established? I think a lot of Democrats have this false view in their mind that Russia hacked into both campaigns and found themselves with two comparable troves of emails: one from the DNC and Podesta, and another one from Republicans. And then the sneaky commie bastards only released the Dem emails and held the Republican ones back. I don’t think there’s evidence to support this conclusion. I believe it’s wishful partisan dreaming. I haven’t seen evidence that Republicans systems were compromised to the same extent that Democrats’ systems were. I don’t believe there’s evidence that anyone of a comparable rank to Podesta on the Republican side had their emails stolen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/776441.md?page=9)