Combine that with the fact that he believes obvious falsehoods on Twitter, and I think we have a solution. “Leak” that Putin hates Trump. Create anfake account that only Trump can see that has Putin making fun of his hands.
Cite?:
- motive
- US intelligence aggression (vs. US intelligence response to Russian aggression)
Have you evidence that the Russians tried to hack them, but failed? Because otherwise you would have us wondering why the Russians only hacked the Dems, and didn’t even try to do the same to the Republicans. Perhaps they didn’t want to? That didn’t occur to you?
(Aside: if memory serves, Trump recently made a suggestion that the Russians didn’t *successfully *hack the Pubbies because the Pubbies were just too smart for them. Can’t seem to find it. Thinking my google-fu is weak, or, after all these years, I’m finally having those LSD flashbacks they warned us about…)
The Hill reports, as have others, that there were attempts to hack RNC as well, but they were not as successful as with the DNC.
It is the what-if scenarios that are of concern. We just don’t know at this point.
What if they have RNC emails and are holding them for leverage?
What is is in the emails that weren’t released. If I write an email that I’m going to put all of my retirement savings in lottery tickets, have other exchanges that clearly show that was a joke or at least rejected as a plan but only the original was released it would not look good for my analytical skills.
The number of people who cite clearly untrue things as reasons for voting for Trump indicates the hacks had an influence. How much is hard to say. Even if it were clear that people believing the false new were the reason Trump won, he still won. The criteria is to get enough votes to get over 270 electoral votes. Informed votes are not a requirement. If you voted for Trump because it is easier than trying to remember how many Ls are in Hillary, it is still a valid vote for Trump.
What if they kidnapped Trump’s long-lost brother and are holding him for leverage?
Yes, Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he will not be run by intelligence.
All the reports agree that this was a very broad phishing campaign by Russians. The phishing emails were sent to thousands of destinations. It was not a concentrated campaign on some particular sources.
Trump tweeted: “Gross negligence by the Democratic National Committee allowed hacking to take place.The Republican National Committee had strong defense!”.
First part is correct. Second part is not. It didn’t take “strong defense!” on the part of the RNC. It just took not stupidly clicking on phishing links.
Thanks for providing Trump’s party line.
Nice of you to provide backup and cover for Vladimir Putin. I imagine you respect him very much.
I provide facts. If they don’t fit your world view it’s your problem.
I think your facts are quite cherry picked, but that’s just my opinion.
Side note: where you live, does the wind come sweepin’ down the prain?
I rather doubt the RNC’s defenses were insurmountable if the Russians had wanted to get it, they would have. And I think it’s more likely than not that they did. I can see Putin digging up Republican dirt and using it as leverage in negotiations with the new administration. My belief (can’t prove it) is that they have hacked both parties but only the DNC provided info that they could use last year. Number one goal- defeat Hillary. Once that is done, put the squeeze on his new pet.
There is no evidence whatsoever that DNC or RNC or Google (where Podesta emails were) was “hacked” into. DNC and Podesta were “phished”. That was explained in this thread and others a dozen times. “Defenses” do not come into play when someone in your organization is stupid enough to click on phishing links and enter his password.
You provide Trump-spin, and your arguments are devoid of fact. We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.
Euphonious Polemic,
Many of the posts on this page deal with the questions like:
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whether Republicans were the target of cyber attacks,
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whether those cyber attacks were successful (and to what degree), and
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whether Russia is holding back damaging Republican emails.
BobLibDem has a belief he can’t prove, and tim-n-va is worried about what-if scenarios that don’t seem to have any supporting evidence. I tried to outline my views in post #160. QuickSilver gave an excellent link that I think answers the questions above, at least to the extent that we can answer them, but what’s your view on this?
Rushing to get a message posted before I had to get back to work and I wasn’t clear apparently.
We don’t know if there is more to be uncovered. I gave two hypotheticals, one completely made up and one supported by the selected release of emails or reality. For example one email had the suggestion of asking Sanders about his religious views but that was never done. Brainstorming is a valid way to develop ideas and lots of crazy things can be suggested and rejected.
My point is that the Republicans should be concerned about this because of what it implies for the future of our election process. It could be them next time. It might still be them last time.
Democrats should quit trying to use this to discredit the election.
I appreciate the clarification. I think everyone should be more concerned about cyber security, but in all the hacks / leaks that we’ve been hit with during the Obama administration, I don’t think the DNC / Podesta ones rank very high. The OPM hack was huge, the Chinese stealing military secrets is a “big f***ing deal”. When some Sony exec or Democrat party hack’s emails get leaked, that’s small potatoes. Embarrassing for them, but relatively minor.
In what way are democrats doing this?
NYT: Donald Trump and the Tainted Presidency is one recent example.
If donald was not already discrediting and delegitimizing his own presidency in ways that are much less thoughtful and reasonable than this editorial, well, I might be moved.
In fact donnies actions make editorials like this seem pretty mainstream and measured.
Do you have anything else?
You’re not getting it.
What’s unbelievable is that, in the whole universe of political figures in the United States, only Podesta and the DCCC were stupid enough to allow themselves to be hacked. Everyone else exercised common sense and so weren’t hacked.
That’s unbelievable. The fact is, most security breaches go unreported, because in the vast majority of cases there’s no reason for the hackers to publicize that they’ve hacked you. They don’t want you to know you’ve been hacked, for obvious reasons.
It is unbelievable that the only instance of foreign governments getting access to this sort of information was the Democratic leaks.
The only thing different about this is that the Russkis thought it was worth leaking the information to the public. They were smart enough to launder it through Wikileaks, even though Wikileaks is an avowedly anti-American organization. You Republicans remember when you wanted Assange assassinated for leaking stuff about the Iraq War, right?
If the Russians or some “anonymous hacker” tried to leak this stuff by sending it to Fox News, or the New York Times, it wouldn’t have worked. They would have refused to publish it. But once the hacked documents are publicly available, it was impossible for the media to ignore. Too juicy, and everyone is doing it.
So why wasn’t there a similar leak about some Republicans? Because no foreign government had any reason to leak damaging information about any hacks they did. Most governments just keep these things secret and use it among their intelligence services or to provide information to their leadership.
The fact is, Putin is on a personal mission to legitimize constitutional democratic governance. And it’s easy to see why. If Russians can look around and see successful happy free countries, they ask themselves why can’t Russia be the same way? If they look around and see confusion and bungling, they figure autocratic rule can’t be that bad.
For the same reason that Americans used to try to spread democratic values throughout the world, because free countries were natural allies of America, so too does Russia try to prevent and roll back the spread of democratic values.
And this is what the party of Reagan is reduced to. You fucksticks elected fucking Donald Trump as president. If there’s ever a president who will roll back the spread of freedom throughout the world, it’s Donald Fucking Trump. Trump is an autocrat at heart, who admires fellow autocrats. He doesn’t give a shit about democracy, republicanism, the Constitution, freedom, or America, or our allied free countries. And this is why Putin loves him so.
It is in Russia’s interest to have America back away from NATO.
It is in Russia’s interest for America to have worse relations with China.
It is in Russia’s interest for democracy and limited government to be delegitimized, both in Russia and around the world.
It is in Russia’s interest for America to be hobbled by erratic and delusional leadership.