# U.S. slipping in sciences, except for creation science **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 4, 2004, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423 "2004-05-04T05:50:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/1 "2004-05-04T05:50:22Z")
> **[U.S. Is Losing Its Dominance In the Sciences (Published 2004)](https://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/03/us/us-is-losing-its-dominance-in-the-sciences.html)** > > Foreign advances in basic science are rivaling or even exceeding America's, apparently with little public awareness of trend or its implications for jobs, industry, national security or vigor of nation's intellectual and cultural life; analysts say... U.S. is falling behind in the sciences. And is it any wonder? We aren’t allowed to DO real science anymore. We can’t teach evolution properly. We can’t do stem cell research because, you know, blobs of formless protoplasm with coded protien chains have teenty tiny souls inside… somewhere. If science has a non-P.C. result, our President will cover it up, kill the findings, deep six the truth. And if studies show that anti-depressant drugs in children lead more often to suicide than curing depression, well then those studies just won’t be part of the final research that appears in drug-company funded journals. If there’s one thing I care about more than anything else, it’s the third pillar of modern liberalism: the liberal scientific revolution. Education coupled with the liberal scientific method for truth: truth put to constant test, constant criticism. And the thing that saddens me most about modern America is to see that being silenced, couched in spin, cut off into carefully controlled channels of approved discourse and propaganda. Discuss? No: comiserate. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/2 "2004-05-04T08:28:41Z")
Two things: First, where does it say anything about creation science in your cite? Second, would you please take the extra return out of your sig? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/3 "2004-05-04T10:41:32Z")
Do yourself a favor and turn sigs off. Few of them are necessary. With respect to modern liberalism, if it is politicizing science, then I hope it dies quickly. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/4 "2004-05-04T11:39:09Z")
Ohhh Sig police! I’m glad I never invested in a sig. Maybe our news is too regional and biased (one can only hope) But those Aussies seem to be making major medical moments on a weekly basis lately. They are godless types but not bad 😉 Ok that added nothing…but I wasn’t the sig police. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/5 "2004-05-04T11:44:18Z")
> [@Libertarian](#): > > Do yourself a favor and turn sigs off. Few of them are necessary. With respect to modern liberalism, if it is politicizing science, then I hope it dies quickly. I don’t understand how “modern liberalism” is “politicizing” science. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/6 "2004-05-04T11:57:00Z")
I’m only going be the OP’s claim about the “liberal scientific method for truth”. ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/7 "2004-05-04T12:03:04Z")
> [@Libertarian](#): > > I’m only going be the OP’s claim about the “liberal scientific method for truth”. Hey **Lib** I was just hoping you had something to say that didn’t involve the sig. ---
**Author:** ![Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/eada6e/32.png) [@Go\_You\_Big\_Red\_Fire\_Engine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Go_You_Big_Red_Fire_Engine)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/8 "2004-05-04T12:08:07Z")
sweet! Australia got mentioned! Although I do remember in high school nto being able to do a lot fo experiments in high school, because chemicals were “out”. But hey, I only went ot a public school, and although we have a bigger proportion of students, we only have 40% of the funding! ---
**Author:** ![calm\_kiwi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9fc348/32.png) [@calm\_kiwi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/calm_kiwi)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/9 "2004-05-04T12:12:41Z")
And mentioned by a Kiwi! So it must be true!..Wankers 😉 ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/10 "2004-05-04T14:01:32Z")
> [@Libertarian](#): > > I’m only going be the OP’s claim about the “liberal scientific method for truth”. Dude, you have the wrong end of the microscope there. The term “the liberal scientific revolution” doesn’t mean Ted Kennedy in a lab coat– **Apos** is referencing the 19th-century concept of classical liberalism, which emphasizes the rights of the individual to free inquiry in a free market system, unfettered by the chains of religious dogma or state interference. There’s a certain political party that espouses the same principles . . . on the tip of my tongue. . . has to do with freedom from the state . . . ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/11 "2004-05-04T14:08:36Z")
Then I stand corrected. I apologize, Apos. ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/12 "2004-05-04T14:14:14Z")
**Lib** , are you complaining about posters not turning off their sigs when _your sig appears **three** times in this thread_? Now _that’s_ chutzpah! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2004, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/13 "2004-05-04T14:19:03Z")
You’re mistaken. “Turn sigs off” refers to an option in the user’s profile to turn off the viewing of sigs. Note that the post just above mine complained of too many return characters in the OP’s sig. He can turn sigs off and not have to see them at all. I have no idea why my sig has shown up three times since I can’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![drewbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drewbert/32/15890_2.png) [@drewbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewbert)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2004, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/14 "2004-05-05T01:34:31Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Ted Kennedy in a lab coat There’s a joke about ethyl alcohol here, but I’m too lazy to come up with it. **Otto** , who said creationism was in the cite? **Apos** saw an article noting a decline of science and innovation in the U.S., and came here to list a few possible causes. ---
**Author:** ![TJdude825](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@TJdude825](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TJdude825)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2004, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/15 "2004-05-12T23:41:56Z")
Anyone have a non-subscription link to this? I think it can often be done through Google News, but I don’t know how to find it. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2004, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-slipping-in-sciences-except-for-creation-science/243423/16 "2004-05-12T23:58:31Z")
**TJdude825** : I think [this](http://iblnews.com/news/noticia.php3?id=107194) is the article mentioned in the OP, or at least the same story.