# U.S. soldiers formed militia to assassinate Obama, overthrow the government **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 29, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036 "2012-08-29T15:42:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/1 "2012-08-29T15:42:35Z")
[No, really.](http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08/29/obama-assassination-plotted-by-american-soldiers_n_1838922.html) > [@](#): > > A group of American soldiers formed an armed militia and planned to kill President Obama and overthrow the US government, a court in Georgia has heard. > > The alleged plot emerged during a murder case against four members of the Forever Enduring Always Ready (FEAR) gang on Tuesday. > > Prosecutors say the men spent $87,000 (£56,000) on weapons to launch attacks against targets including vehicles belonging the Department of Homeland Security employees and a dam. > > They were also accused said to be planning to take over the Fort Stewart military base near to the court in Georgia. > > According to the Associated Press, prosecutor Isabel Pauley told the judge: "This domestic terrorist organisation did not simply plan and talk. > > “Evidence shows the group possessed the knowledge, means and motive to carry out their plans.” > > “All members of the group were on active-duty or were former members of the military,” Pauley said. > > Isaac Aguigui, Anthony Peden, Christopher Salmon and Michael Burnett are accused of murdering former soldier 19-year-old Michael Roark his 17-year-old girlfriend Tiffany York. > > The defendants are accused of killing Roark and York after the pair learned of their hopes to overthrow the government. [And more:](http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/prosecutors-ga-murder-case-revealed-terror-plot-by-us-soldiers-operating-militia-inside-army/2012/08/27/79ef45a6-f059-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_story_1.html) > [@](#): > > The prosecutor said the militia group had big plans. It plotted to take over Fort Stewart by seizing its ammunition control point and talked of bombing the Forsyth Park fountain in nearby Savannah, she said. In Washington state, she added, the group plotted to bomb a dam and poison the state’s apple crop. Ultimately, prosecutors said, the militia’s goal was to overthrow the government and assassinate the president. > > Fort Stewart spokesman Kevin Larson said the Army has dropped its own charges against the four soldiers in the slayings of Roark and York. The Military authorities filed their charges in March but never acted on them. Fort Stewart officials Monday refused to identify the units the accused soldiers served in and their jobs within those units. > > “Fort Stewart-Hunter Army Airfield does not have a gang or militia problem,” Larson said in a prepared statement, though he said Army investigators still have an open investigation in the case. “There is no cannibalism or necrophilia at all in the Royal Navy. And when I say none at all, I do mean that there is a certain amount, more than we are prepared to admit . . .” The politics of these plotters are not entirely clear. Many media sources are calling them “anarchists,” which implicitly associates them with the guys who show up at WTO conferences and smash windows; but somehow I doubt they have much in common with those. [One](http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2012/08/us-soldiers-anti-obama-plot-wanted-give-government-back-people/56286/) says their aim was “to give the government back to the people,” whatever that means in this context. To me, they call to mind the RWs on the Intertubes who have been screaming intermittently for the past four years that the Army is our liberty’s last line of defense against Obama, etc., and would sooner or later Do Something. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/2 "2012-08-29T15:49:46Z")
Ambitious, weren’t they? Taking over Fort Stewart? They couldn’t cover the headquarters building. Idiots with delusions do not constitute a “militia to overthrow the government”, so we can dispense with the sensationalism, and taking a run at a President takes more than a bunch of morons talking about it. We already have millions of them, what makes these guys noteworthy? ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/3 "2012-08-29T15:58:58Z")
I’ve heard worse plans. After all, Obama probably does eat the occasional apple. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/4 "2012-08-29T16:00:06Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > We already have millions of them, what makes these guys noteworthy? **BrainGlutton** saw the word “militia” and his knee jerked. I’m sure he will get back to us if and when these guys are convicted. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/5 "2012-08-29T16:03:08Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I’ve heard worse plans. After all, Obama probably does eat the occasional apple. Actually, I take that back. A quick google image search confirms Obama eats pizza, not apples. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/6 "2012-08-29T16:14:37Z")
Obama goes to the jail house visitor’s center housing these men ::knock knock:: he raps on the glass “Do you like apples?” he asks “What?” They reply into the telephone “Do you like apples?” he asks again. “Yeah.” “Well the Georgia prosecutors have your number. How do you like them apples?” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/7 "2012-08-29T16:22:33Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > and taking a run at a President takes more than a bunch of morons talking about it. “This domestic terrorist organisation did not simply plan and talk.” > [@Alka Seltzer](#): > > I’ve heard worse plans. After all, Obama probably does eat the occasional apple. I thought he was on a strict baby diet ? ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/8 "2012-08-29T16:25:02Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > “Yeah.” > “Well the Georgia prosecutors have your number. How do you like them apples?” Now that was pretty damn funny. Thanks for the laugh. And geezus what a bunch of knuckleheads. Good work on fucking up you life for no good reason guys. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/9 "2012-08-29T16:25:16Z")
It is indeed hard to keep these ambitious plans under wraps for too long: assassinate the President, take over a military base, blow up a fountain in a park… Wait, what was that last one? ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/10 "2012-08-29T16:32:48Z")
> [@Alka\_Seltzer](#): > > I’ve heard worse plans. After all, Obama probably does eat the occasional apple. Sort of the Snow White of assassination plans. I hope the secret service extrapolates from this and keeps Obama away from thimbles and stampedes of wildebeests. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/11 "2012-08-29T16:48:54Z")
And when they took over the Government they planned on revoking Obamacare, cutting taxes on the wealthy, and paying lip service to reducing the National Debt and other things of that nature. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/12 "2012-08-29T16:52:17Z")
Seriously, **BrainGlutton**? “Well, they were kind of crazy left-wingers, but they remind me of crazy right-wingers.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/13 "2012-08-29T17:01:21Z")
Reminds me of [these goofballs.](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/skinheads-obama-assassination-plot) > [@](#): > > The pair’s ‘final act of violence’ would be an attempt to kill Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee. In separate interviews with investigators, the men said that they planned to speed their vehicle toward Obama while ‘shooting at him from the windows.’ **Apparently befitting the historic assault, Cowart and Schlesselman 'stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt.** ’ How do these people generate enough brainpower to even walk? ---
**Author:** ![Alka\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c89c15/32.png) [@Alka\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alka_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/14 "2012-08-29T17:02:18Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > Sort of the Snow White of assassination plans. I guess they didn’t have the attention span to watch it all the way through… > [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > I hope the secret service extrapolates from this and keeps Obama away from thimbles and stampedes of wildebeests. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/15 "2012-08-29T17:02:31Z")
Did these guys have anything to say about the ongoing conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids? ---
**Author:** ![gunnergoz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e95f7d/32.png) [@gunnergoz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gunnergoz)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/16 "2012-08-29T17:09:01Z")
Thank Dubya for lowering recruiting standards so we would keep the units in Iraq and Afghanistan fully manned, what with all the IED KIA’s, PTSD, GI suicides and all. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/17 "2012-08-29T17:28:50Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > Sort of the Snow White of assassination plans. I hope the secret service extrapolates from this and keeps Obama away from thimbles and stampedes of wildebeests. I thought it was spindles, not thimbles. Or maybe I’m just thinking of the wrong story. The spindle was in Sleeping Beauty. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/18 "2012-08-29T17:35:46Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Seriously, **BrainGlutton**? “Well, they were kind of crazy left-wingers, but they remind me of crazy right-wingers.” How do you know they’re left-wing? “Give the government back to the people” could fit any of several fringes. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/19 "2012-08-29T17:44:12Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > I thought it was spindles, not thimbles. Or maybe I’m just thinking of the wrong story. The spindle was in Sleeping Beauty. The fairy tale with the thimble was _“The Sleeping Moron,”_ in which the **prince** (in a gender-bending departure from previous formulae) falls into a 100-year sleep after sticking a magic thimble up his nose. The prince is the only one who goes to sleep for 100 years, btw; the rest of the kingdom does just fine after the king decrees that henceforth, strict primogeniture will apply, and the princess will be eligible to ascend to the throne. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036/20 "2012-08-29T17:45:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > How do you know they’re left-wing? “Give the government back to the people” could fit any of several fringes. It’s not so much that I know they’re left-wing. It’s that you’re trying to paint them as right-wing, because hey, militia. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/u-s-soldiers-formed-militia-to-assassinate-obama-overthrow-the-government/633036.md?page=2)