# UC Santa Cruz students: meet the butt-end of my M-16

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [April 13, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457 "2006-04-13T00:04:58Z")\
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**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/61 "2006-04-13T04:50:38Z")

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> [@magellan01](#):
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> And SnowboarderBoy, please accept my sincere apology if you thought that to be a real threat and it caused you to take another dump in your pants.

Yeah, the apology is just suffused with sincerity.

Suck it up and take your warning like a man, ya pansy.

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**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/62 "2006-04-13T04:50:39Z")

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> [@Miller](#):
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> I honestly don’t see how they could have prevented it. They can’t crack down on the students until the students give them a reason to - but when the students gave them a reason to, the recruiters decided to leave before the crack down could start. Also, you’re assuming the recruiters left because they were in fear for their own safety. They didn’t.

This is a good point. I’d like to read more about the incident, but based on that one article I think you are correct. I didn’t think the recruiters were necessarily in fear for themselves, just that violence would occur. Because if it did, regardless of who got hurt or who started it, it would turn into bad PR for the military. So, I also agree with the rest of your post.

I therefore retract and withold pitting of the police. I’ll dial it back on the school official, as well. Half -way. While he might very well have made sure a sufficient # of police were there, he did not use his powers as a school official to control his students with threats of suspension or expulsion.

Students involved in this protest, you still get the full deal. So, into the deep with you. Don’t forget to rub the blood all over and kick and flail a lot.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/63 "2006-04-13T05:03:53Z")

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> [@magellan01](#):
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> :eek: Are you kidding me? 😕 It was a joke. Notice the skiing with camo, with a rifle slung over my shoulder? Unbelievable. This warning is ridiclous.
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> But for the record I will state: I was joking. And I apologize if you viewed it as a serious threat. I thought I made it so over the top that even SnowboarderBoy would get it. I didn’t think a Mod would have trouble with it. But if anyone took it seriously, rest assured that I was just playing with Snow-Boy.
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> And SnowboarderBoy, please accept my sincere apology if you thought that to be a real threat and it caused you to take another dump in your pants.

> [@magellan01](#):
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> Either way, go fuck yourself with your baggy SnowboarderBoy pants that you shit and and so you can carry it around all day. And stay out of my way on the slopes. Unless, that is, you’d llike to feel the butt of that M-16 I’m so quick to use across your teeth. I’ll be the one in the camo with the rifle slung over his shoulder. Now, outya my way, boy.

Oh yeah… I can see the humor right there in between you telling me to go fuck myself and to get out of your way. Right there after you claim that I shit myself all the time. _Real_ fucking funny, asshole.

What was over the top about it? You’ve mentioned several times in this thread that you would like to see others harmed, including

> [@magellan01](#):
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> So to the whole lot of you, slit your wrists because the military is so awful, wipe the blood all over your body and go for a nice surf. You’ll no doubt make better chum than you do people.

and

> [@magellan01](#):
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> Hurry them off with a nice shove to the ground, handcuffed and carted off to jail. (Or the Pacific. See above.)

and

> [@magellan01](#):
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> You mobs of bullies, who alone would just be pathetic little pussies, need a good, old-fashioned ass kicking.

and

> [@magellan01](#):
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> So, one’s right to “monkeywrench the system” trumps another’s right to free speech? **Okay I’m gonna go kill a congreesman I disagree with.** But it’s okay because what I’m doing is really “monkeywrenching” the system. And him not casting any more of his votes or making any more of his speeches is the way I measure success. (bolding mine)

After all those posts advocating violence and causing physical harm, if not death, we were supposed to see that your post threatening to knock my teeth out with your gun was _funny_? You’re deranged.

And I’m sure your apology is completely sincere, since after apologizing you again claim that I shit on myself.

Your writing skills, your judgement, and your humor are all lacking. Go crawl back under that rock and get back on your meds.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/64 "2006-04-13T05:08:48Z")

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> [@magellan01](#):
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> Students involved in this protest, you still get the full deal. So, into the deep with you. Don’t forget to rub the blood all over and kick and flail a lot.

Before I can even get done posting that you are a deranged, violent maniac, you post _again_ that you think the student protesters should slit their wrists and become shark bait… you are a seriously disturbed individual.

Seek professional help.

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**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/65 "2006-04-13T05:36:36Z")

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> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> Which is what I said… you pitted everyone even remotely involved in this…

Didn’t pit the recruiters, did I? Nope.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> Actually, the student protesters didn’t _let_ this happen…

I didn’t say they did. The two groups refer to the cops and the school officials.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> …They can’t just start shooting into the crowd, or start beating people up and throwing them in the ocean (as you suggested they should have done).

:rolleyes: What ever you do, don’t read science fiction. We’ll never get you out from under your bed. Come to think of it, stay away from fiction altogether.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> Unless you have proof that the protesters were breaking laws of some kind,…

I posted the article I read. You know what I know (about the incident). This pitting is a response to that article. I think that preventing people from exercising their free speech is a crime. Do you know/think differently?

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> In the end, all you’re mad about is the fact that a bunch of 18-22 year olds yelled loudly…

No, SnowboarderBoy, Im angry that a bunch of coddled, punk kids acted as a mob to shut up people who have a constitutionally protected right to speak, something they would never do off the safety of their campus or without overwhelming numbers. But maybe some of the metal from your nose ring has leached into your brain and you are of the opinion that such thuggery is protected by the Constitution.

I’m angry that the fine young men and women who serve in our military, who are willing to put their lives on the line at a moments notice to protect us if the need should arise, get such little respect from their fellow Americans. Idiots who are too dumb to realize that we need a military. That whether you agree with a particular war or not has nothing to do with that fact.

I’m angry that we have hypocrites like you afoot who, if the people speaking was the brown/black/yellow/gay/transgendered/pro choice arm of Greenpeace and the group intimidating them were a bunch of rednecks that you’d be railing to the high heavens (godles, of course) about fucked-upness of these people being denied their rights. But because it’s the evil military the attitude becomes: "Come on, they’re kids, they have passion, they’re trying to monkeywrench the system, they didn’t actually hit anyone. what’s the big deal?

That’s what I’m angry about. You get that, SnowboarderBoy.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> You’re a real credit to the country.

[Blushing, shuffling feet] I do what I can. Nothing someone else who loves his country wouldn’t do if given the chance.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/66 "2006-04-13T05:48:57Z")

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Well, I get that you’re a depraved lunatic who’s given to stereotyping people even tho you have no information at all about them.

I don’t have a nose ring. I can’t be a hypocrite, because I never gave my position on recruiting. Or the military. Or my religious views. You just went with a bunch of stereotypical assumptions, based on the word “snowboarder” in my user name.

Oh, and I get also that you wish to hurt and even kill people who make you angry by not conforming to your own particular world-view. You’ve made that quite clear.

Its also clear, you are a (borderline) psychotic.

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**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/67 "2006-04-13T05:56:11Z")

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I have to agree with the OP: violence never solves anything. That’s why the students should have paecefully allowed the military recruiters on campus, to show that violence doesn’t… Oh, wait a minute.

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**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/68 "2006-04-13T06:04:19Z")

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> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> Right there after you claim that I shit myself all the time. _Real_ fucking funny, asshole.

If I would have known that this was a problem you suffered from I wouldn’t have joked about it. Maybe something about the patchouli eating away at your brain, but not the shitting yourself thing.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> What was over the top about it?

1. Skiing in camo. 2) with a rifle slung over my shoulder. Most people would recognize that as over the top.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> You’ve mentioned several times in this thread that you would like to see others harmed, including

If assholes want to slit their own wrists, who am I to stop them?

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> and

If they interfere with others exercising their right to free speech they should be arrested. If they resist and get a little scuffed up in the scuffle, think of it as an education. After all, there in college to learn.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> and

I think _anyone_ who acts in a mob intimidating others deserves a good old-fashioned ass kicking.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> and

As anotther poster already seconded, it was an analogy taken to extremes for effect.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> After all those posts advocating violence and causing physical harm, if not death, we were supposed to see that your post threatening to knock my teeth out with your gun was _funny_?

Again, camo, skiing with a rifle slung over my shoulder… Like I said, stay away from the fiction.

> [@Snowboarder Bo](#):
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> And I’m sure your apology is completely sincere, since after apologizing you again claim that I shit on myself.

My apology to the board is sincere, as they claim I ran afoul of the rules. I think that estimation is riduculous, but I have respect for rules. If they bother me that much I can always leave. As long as I want to stay I need to abide by them. So, yes, my apology to them is sincere.

I will also say that if you took that as a real threat, I sincerely apologize to you for THAT, as well. I also think your soft in the head if you considered that a real threat. But if you did 1) I apologize and 2) rest assured, it was NOT IN ANY WAY a real threat.

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**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/69 "2006-04-13T06:44:19Z")

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> [@magellan01](#):
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> I think _anyone_ who acts in a mob intimidating others deserves a good old-fashioned ass kicking.

:rolleyes:

So when you said

> [@magellan01](#):
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> You mobs of bullies, who alone would just be pathetic little pussies, need a good, old-fashioned ass kicking. Why don’t you go to a nearby miltary base and find the bar where these guys hang out and spew your invective at them then?

what you meant was that this mob should go get their ass kicked by this other mob, or shut up? So you’re invoking a second mob in an attempt to intimidate the first mob to stop intimidating people… I would say that’s pretty hypocritical, right there.

You don’t even have anything in your OP-linked news story that says that the students threatened anyone with violence. Of course,

> [@San Francisco Chronicle](#):
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> the Army’s Griffin said he sensed that some of the students were “looking for action” and decided to pack up their table before things got out of hand and someone got injured.

I had no idea that we employed psychics in the US Army. Is that where you got your psychic powers, too? You know, the ones that let you know that the school administration and the cops were at fault… Oh wait, you backed off those guys because people pointed out that you had no idea what really happened. It’s looking more and more like the only thing you’ve ever shot off is your mouth. And maybe your foot. That’s prolly why you keep threatening to club people with your gun instead of threatening to shoot them.

And since you are so incensed about mobs intimidating others, I can only surmise that you are equally upset at how a mob of armed men intimidated a foreign ruler into having to give up his country, thereby destabilizing the lives of millions of people? At how an armed mob is forcing people halfway around the world to redesign their country according to the whims of those guys currently in Washington, DC? Or is it okay, because that is “your” mob?

And if it isn’t okay, what are you doing to try and stop it?

At least these protesters, who we have no evidence to show that they threatened anyone, were acting with the goal of putting an end to the killing which they do not like or want to continue. All you are doing, on this anonymous internet board, is expressing your desire for others to endure pain and death, because you don’t think they agree with you, or because you think, with no evidence, that they acted in a manner you don’t approve of.

You’re a reprehensible, hypocritical lunatic. Self-deluded and full of hate & anger.

Seek professional help.

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**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/70 "2006-04-13T08:02:44Z")

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> [@DiosaBellissima](#):
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> Well, um, I’m a liberal and I agree with the pitting. Are you guys going to take away my super secret Democrat decoder ring now? :eek:

Well…you are a fan of Toby Keith aren’t you?

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**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/71 "2006-04-13T10:20:17Z")

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> [@JPen](#):
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> You know, you’re right. I came back here specifically to mention that the protestor’s actions were basically intimidation, which is illegal. I basically had a brain cramp on the original post.

Worse than that, the protesters were interfering with military recruitment during wartime, which can be prosecuted under the sedition laws.

If a group was involved, they all could be prosecuted as being part of a seditious conspiracy.

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**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/72 "2006-04-13T10:20:39Z")

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> [@magellan01](#):
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> 1. Skiing in camo. 2) with a rifle slung over my shoulder. Most people would recognize that as over the top.

Why? It’s called the biathlon.

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**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/73 "2006-04-13T10:33:19Z")

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> [@Mr. Moto](#):
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> Worse than that, the protesters were interfering with military recruitment during wartime, which can be prosecuted under the sedition laws.
> 
> If a group was involved, they all could be prosecuted as being part of a seditious conspiracy.

Meh…when was the last time anyone was prosecuted for sedition?

Actually, thats a good question. Answers! I need answers!

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**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/74 "2006-04-13T10:42:04Z")

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> [@even sven](#):
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> Some background on Santa Cruz.
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> The military is about as popular, and about as inflammitory there, as the KKK. Just about every day there are protests somewhere. One of the major throughfares has a just about permanent protest presence. The darn city passed a resolution against the Iraq war as soon as it started. It’s hard to go a few steps without seeing some kind of anti-war sign or flag. It’s not like this is a new thing, or an expected thing, or even merely a student thing. If there is an anti-war ground zero, Santa Cruz is probably it.

You probably know Santa Cruz better than me.

Still, their feelings do not mean that they can rid themselves of their obligations of American citizenship. And again, I will point out that UC Santa Cruz has an $80 million dollar obligation to the federal government, and one of the strings that come with that apron is allowing military recruiting on campus.

I will also point out that, for all of the anti-military fervor you point out, two soldiers from Santa Cruz have died in Iraq. Many more, I’m sure, serve with honor. Their opinions count as well, even if they are in a vanishingly small minority.

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**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/75 "2006-04-13T11:35:44Z")

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The onus of allowing miliatry recruiting falls on the administration, not the students, right? Seems to me that they’ve fulfilled that obligation. After all, the administration didn’t force them to leave. Actually, \*no one \* forced them to leave.

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**Author:** ![DianaG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7ab992/32.png) [@DianaG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DianaG)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/76 "2006-04-13T11:38:48Z")

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Just to clarify, I think that they were right to leave before it got ugly, and I don’t contest their right to be there. I’m just pointing out that the school does not actually appear to be in violation of the Solomon Amendment.

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**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/77 "2006-04-13T12:10:32Z")

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I think it does, same if a school, in the guise of allowing protesters the right to exercise their free speech rights, in fact prevents black students from actually getting to class.

This was put to the test forty years ago. What argument won out then?

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/78 "2006-04-13T12:26:24Z")

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Classic **magellan**. Shaky analogies, condescension to folks far smarter than him, and a complete ignorance of, and apathy about, the complexities of the real world. Good stuff!

> [@magellan](#):
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> What ever you do, don’t read science fiction.

If this is a warning to stay away from your posts, it’s a good one.

Back when I went to college (Evergreen, another pinko left college on the Left Coast), I was involved in some radical politics. A forwarded email I received regarding a UCSC protest was a watershed moment for me: it described the world’s stupidest protest (against the anti-immigration, proposition, I think). Students blocked traffic to convince people that their side was right, delayed people getting home from a long day at work to build sympathy for their cause, screamed at passersby to persuade them to join the movement. Then they had several students climb the clock tower and handcuff themselves to it to show the righteousness of their cause, while the remaining students formed a defensive ring around the tower’s base. When the police just hung back and watched them, they took it as a Victory for the Movement.

Of course, the cops waited till all the kids had gone off to bed before climbing up and arresting the handcuffees–the email said this showed the cops’ cowardice.

As I read the email, I kept waiting for the punchline, the moment when the author would have an epiphany realizing that the entire protest was just so much self-congratulatory bullshit whose only effect would be to alienate potential allies and make the protestors feel good about themselves. That epiphany never came for the author; but because it never came for the author, a different epiphany came for me:

Radical politics has got a lot of dumb motherfuckers in it.

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Of course, the military has got a lot of dumb motherfuckers in it, too. I can only imagine the conversation between these recruiters and their boss: they tried not to whine as they described how idiotic it was to send them out to UCSC. The best compromise they could get was that if things got hairy, they could leave; so as soon as they got on campus, they were waiting for things to get ugly enough for them to leave.

Is that an excuse for the protestors? Hell, no: anyone looking for violence at such an event is a dumb motherfucker. Anyone trying to silence political debate is a dumb motherfucker. The proper form of protest would have been to set up a table next to the military recruiters, find a [Veteran Against the Iraq War](http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php) to staff it, and invite visitors to the recruiter’s table to come over to their table for some counterpoints.

But it does mean that the campus probably handled the event in the best possible way. Had they engaged in idiotic **magellan** tactics, it wouldn’t have solved anything: at least in this situation, violence would have been the last refuge of the incompetent. All it would have done is to ignite the entire town in full-scale protest/rioting–and that serves nobody.

Daniel

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/79 "2006-04-13T12:27:40Z")

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> [@magellan01](#):
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> Whether or not I agree with the actions in the 60s aside, there is one HUGE difference. The ones joing today are doing so by choice. Kind of a big differecne, don’t you think?

What’s that got to do with it? Starving the Army of recruits – voluntary or otherwise – is a pretty good way to stop a war.

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**Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uc-santa-cruz-students-meet-the-butt-end-of-my-m-16/352457/80 "2006-04-13T12:51:13Z")

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> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#):
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> The proper form of protest would have been to set up a table next to the military recruiters, find a [Veteran Against the Iraq War](http://www.vaiw.org/vet/index.php) to staff it, and invite visitors to the recruiter’s table to come over to their table for some counterpoints.

No.

If the recruiters were sitting at a table in the student union, sure, this would be acceptable. But this was a job fair, which isn’t an acceptable venue for this.

If you allow this, you’d have to allow it for anyone who wants to protest any other company there for whatever reason (animal rights, labor laws, whatever), and that would turn the job fair into a free for all.

The Solomon Amendment specifies that recruiters be allowed onto campus with the same access as other employers, and other employers wouldn’t have to contend with protesters at the next table at a job fair.

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