# UFL Draft Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 20, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366 "2009-06-20T02:38:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/1 "2009-06-20T02:38:20Z")
Okay, I’m just kidding. I wouldn’t be surprised if no other Doper knew that the newly-christened Universal Football League held its [inaugural draft](http://www.ufl-football.com/press/2009/06/19/_premiere_season_draft) today. Unsurprisingly, not many of the names are exactly household-type. 112-year-old Adam Archuleta goes to Las Vegas, and signed J.P. Losman before the draft - it’s not really clear how the UFL decided Losman wasn’t draft-eligible, but I’m guessing each team was allowed to sign one or more players to whatever contracts they would take before the draft. New York gets pear-shaped former Jaguars backup LaBrandon Toefield, who showed flashes of brilliance in the NFL but never got a chance to start. Orlando gets occasional NFL starting QB Brooks Bollinger, former Bengals first-round pick Chris Perry and Mike Doss\*. San Francisco gets… well, nobody even slightly interesting, actually. Here’s the full rundown: > [@](#): > > UFL LAS VEGAS > DB ARCHULETA, ADAM (ARIZONA STATE) > DE AWASOM, ADRIAN (NORTH TEXAS) > P BAUGHER, DANNY (ARIZONA) > OG BOONE, JASON (UTAH) > NT BRYANT, WENDELL (WISCONSIN-MADISON) > LB BUTLER, EZRA (NEVADA) > DB DADA, WALE (WASHINGTON STATE) > T GAUSE, GEORGE (SOUTH CAROLINA) > DB GAUSE, PAUL (SETON HALL) > K JACAS, ANDREW (FORT VALLEY STATE) > TE JACKSON, NATE (MENLO COLLEGE) > T JOYCE, BRANDON (ILLINOIS STATE) > WR KIRCUS, DAVID (GRAND VALLEY STATE) > TE KUHN, SCOTT (LOUISVILLE) > NT LONG, GABE (UTAH) > LB MOORE, BRANDON (OKLAHOMA) > LB PALMER, RONNIE (ARIZONA) > LB STILLS, GARY (WEST VIRGINIA) > RB THOMPSON, TYSON (SAN JOSE STATE) > WR THURMAN, ANDRAE (SOUTHERN OREGON) > LB TOAL, BRIAN (BOSTON COLLEGE) > DB TURNBULL, NICK (FLORIDA INTERNATIONAL) > DB WILLIAMS, CHAZ (OREGON) > RB WHITEHEAD, TERRENCE (OREGON) > UFL NEW YORK > QB BACHER, CJ (NORTHWESTERN) > DB BROWN, TREY (UCLA) > DB CELESTIN, OLIVER (TEXAS SOUTHERN) > NT CLEBERT, RICHARD (SOUTH FLORIDA) > DE FOUNTAIN, MAURICE (CLEMSON) > TE GHENT, RONNIE (LOUISVILLE) > RB GROSS, TYRONNE (EASTERN OREGON) > T GUTEKUNST, SAM (GERMANY) > C HARVEY, JASPER (SAN DIEGO STATE) > QB JOHNSON, BRIAN (UTAH) > WR KINOSHITA, NORIAKI (JAPAN) > DB LOFTON, DAVID (STANFORD) > LB MAGRO, MARC (WEST VIRGINIA) > DB MAZE, TERELL (SAN DIEGO STATE) > T NORELL, RAY (BUFFALO) > T PRUNEDA, RAMIRO (MONTEREY TECH) > RB RUBIN, JOE (PORTLAND STATE) > WR SANDERS, STEVE (BOWLING GREEN) > RB SAPP, CECIL (COLORADO STATE) > NT SAVE, BRYAN (COLORADO STATE) > DE SPICER, MICHALE (WESTERN CAROLINA) > RB TOEFIELD, LABRANDON (LSU) > LB WILLIAMS, NATHAN (MURRAY STATE) > RB WOODS, SHANNON (TEXAS TECH) > UFL ORLANDO > NT BLEDSOE, FRED (ARKANSAS) > QB BOLLINGER, BROOKS (WISCONSIN) > FB CRUZ, RONNIE (NORTHERN STATE-SD) > DB DOSS, MIKE (OHIO STATE) > DB FASSITT, GREG (GRAMBLING) > WR GESSNER, CHAS (BROWN) > TE HEINRICH, KEITH (SAM HOUSTON STATE) > NT LONG, RIEN (WASHINGTON STATE) > DB MASON, GRANT (MICHIGAN) > LB MCGARIGLE, TIM (NORTHWESTERN) > RB PERRY, CHRIS (MICHIGAN) > T PETITTI, ROB (PITTSBURGH) > OG PILLAR, ZACK (FLORIDA) > DE POWELL, ERIC (FLORIDA STATE) > LB SCHLEGEL, ANTHONY (OHIO STATE) > DE SCHOBEL, BO (TCU) > WR THOMPSON, DOMINIQUE (WILLIAM & MARY) > CB TRIBBLE, DEJUAN (BOSTON COLLEGE) > NT TRIPPLETT, LARRY (WASHINGTON) > DB VINNETT, DARIUS (ARKANSAS) > T WAND, SETH (NORTHWEST MISSOURI ST) > TE WIGGINS, JERMAINE (GEORGIA) > RB WILSON, QUINCY (WEST VIRGINIA) > DB WRIGHT, TJ (OHIO UNIVERSITY) > UFL SAN FRANCISCO > FB ARMSTRONG, ODIE (NW OKLAHOMA ST) > RB AYANBADEJO, FEMI (SAN DIEGO STATE) > QB BOYD, SHANE (KENTUCKY) > WR BRACKINS, LARRY (PEARL RIVER CC) > LS BROWN, KAI (BROWN) > QB DIETZ, BRETT (HANOVER) > WR FITZGERALD, MARCUS (MARSHALL) > DE GUNN, MARQUIES (AUBURN) > RB HUTSONA, DARRELL (WASHINGTON STATE) > LB KWATENG, PRINCE (NORTHWESTERN) > TE LEDBETTER, BRANDEN (WESTERN MICHIGAN) > T LEKKERKERKER, CORY (CALIFORNIA-DAVIS) > LB MARTIN, JOE (SAN DIEGO STATE) > QB O’HAGAN, LIAM (HARVARD) > T RIMPF, BRIAN (EAST CAROLINA) > WR SAMS, BJ (MCNEESE STATE) > T STAMPER, BRIAN (VANDERBILT) > NT STEWART, JASON (FRESNO STATE) > DE SUGGS, DAMON (GEORGIA SOUTHERN) > DB TREAUDO, AHMAD (SOUTHERN UNIVERSITY) > DB UNDERWOOD, MARVIEL (SAN DIEGO STATE) > DB UNERTL, JEREMY (WISCONSIN-LA CROSSE) > RB WASHINGTON, JOHN DAVID (MOREHOUSE) > WR WEST, JOE (TEXAS EL-PASO) \*Doss is an interesting story. After being drafted in the Colts in the second round, he was a candidate for defensive ROTY in 2003. Then he simply disappeared, buried by injuries and an avalanche of other Colts draft picks spent on defensive backs. ---
**Author:** ![Jules\_Andre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jules_andre/32/9334_2.png) [@Jules\_Andre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jules_Andre)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/2 "2009-06-20T03:19:25Z")
Doss was one of those guys that I saw during a random college game I had been playing and I would have sworn he would have been an all-star in the NFL. His (Doss) is the only case I can remember where I thought that of a college player and was completely wrong. And it wasn’t like he was bad (as RNATB mentioned), but he just lost it. What a weird story. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/3 "2009-06-20T03:20:34Z")
Er… drafted by the Colts, that should read. Not in the Colts. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/4 "2009-06-20T03:43:29Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Okay, I’m just kidding. I wouldn’t be surprised if no other Doper knew that the newly-christened Universal Football League held its [inaugural draft](http://www.ufl-football.com/press/2009/06/19/_premiere_season_draft) today. Silly man. Of course we knew. The guy I’m really pulling for is Wendell Bryant. Great story. Really, a lot of these guys won’t even be in the UFL; most of the guys who will eventually be on UFL rosters are currently occupying roster spots 53-80 in the NFL. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/5 "2009-06-20T05:17:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > \*Doss is an interesting story. After being drafted in the Colts in the second round, he was a candidate for defensive ROTY in 2003. Then he simply disappeared, buried by injuries and an avalanche of other Colts draft picks spent on defensive backs. Nothing all that strange. Doss was an impact safety but he couldn’t cover worth a damn. The NFL drifted away from the concept of a run stuffing, close to the line SS and it made him useless. The Colts experimented with playing him at LB but he just didn’t have the bulk for the position. See: Roy Williams for further information. Femi Ayanbadejo is going to be the impact guy in the first season. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/6 "2009-06-20T11:16:48Z")
I confess it: I haven’t heard of the new UFL. The site was rather busy-looking, and it is still early so can anyone break it down for me? Only 4 teams? Are they planning on being more like baseball’s minor league? When will they play? I do miss me my NFL, so if they can make a go of the UFL during the off time, I’d be pleased. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/7 "2009-06-20T14:57:59Z")
> [@Khadaji](#): > > I confess it: I haven’t heard of the new UFL. > > The site was rather busy-looking, and it is still early so can anyone break it down for me? Only 4 teams? Are they planning on being more like baseball’s minor league? When will they play? I do miss me my NFL, so if they can make a go of the UFL during the off time, I’d be pleased. It’s not a formal minor league; nobody will be under contract to NFL teams. It will basically be NFL cast-offs – guys who were not quite good enough to make a NFL team in August can join the UFL in September, and the season starts in October, playing Thursday and Friday nights. There may also be a few guys who decide being a starter in the UFL beats riding the bench in the NFL. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/8 "2009-06-20T15:38:29Z")
> [@furt](#): > > It’s not a formal minor league; nobody will be under contract to NFL teams. It will basically be NFL cast-offs – guys who were not quite good enough to make a NFL team in August can join the UFL in September, and the season starts in October, playing Thursday and Friday nights. There may also be a few guys who decide being a starter in the UFL beats riding the bench in the NFL. I’m not sure I’ll watch it then. If it is on during the time I would get my football fix anyway, well, I don’t usually have enough time to watch all the college and pro games I want to already. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/9 "2009-06-20T21:56:03Z")
> [@Khadaji](#): > > The site was rather busy-looking, and it is still early so can anyone break it down for me? Only 4 teams? Are they planning on being more like baseball’s minor league? When will they play? I do miss me my NFL, so if they can make a go of the UFL during the off time, I’d be pleased. 4 teams for now; they’re planning to expand to six after the first season. Denny Green, Jim Fassell and Ted Cottrell are head coaches; I don’t know who the other guy will be. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/10 "2009-06-20T22:22:00Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > 4 teams for now; they’re planning to expand to six after the first season. Denny Green, Jim Fassell and Ted Cottrell are head coaches; I don’t know who the other guy will be. I love Denny Green’s melt down after their game with Da Bears! I either didn’t hear or wasn’t paying attention when he was let go. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/11 "2009-06-20T22:31:00Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > 4 teams for now; they’re planning to expand to six after the first season. Denny Green, Jim Fassell and Ted Cottrell are head coaches; I don’t know who the other guy will be. Jim Haslett is coaching Orlando. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/12 "2009-06-20T22:33:00Z")
> [@Khadaji](#): > > I’m not sure I’ll watch it then. If it is on during the time I would get my football fix anyway, well, I don’t usually have enough time to watch all the college and pro games I want to already. That’s kind of my thinking. I’d prefer a spring schedule. I think they’d get better players, too. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/13 "2009-06-21T00:21:51Z")
> [@Khadaji](#): > > I love Denny Green’s melt down after their game with Da Bears! I either didn’t hear or wasn’t paying attention when he was let go. You didn’t notice that he wasn’t the guy on the Cardinals’ sideline during the Super Bowl? ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/14 "2009-06-21T00:42:49Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > You didn’t notice that he wasn’t the guy on the Cardinals’ sideline during the Super Bowl? 😃 Good point. No, it didn’t occur to me. I do recognize him, but I wouldn’t have thought about who he coached for at any given time. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/15 "2009-06-21T00:53:23Z")
I don’t get why they try to run these leagues in the fall to compete with the NFL and college ball. During football season, I’m getting my football fix with lots of NFL and if I want, college games. Add some half ass minor league on top of that and why would I bother? Now on the other hand, if they ran the season from April through June or something, when I’m craving football and there’s nothing to satisfy the urge, I’d probably watch some scrubs play some real football. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/16 "2009-06-21T01:41:58Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t get why they try to run these leagues in the fall to compete with the NFL and college ball. During football season, I’m getting my football fix with lots of NFL and if I want, college games. Add some half ass minor league on top of that and why would I bother? > > Now on the other hand, if they ran the season from April through June or something, when I’m craving football and there’s nothing to satisfy the urge, I’d probably watch some scrubs play some real football. As far as I know, isn’t this the first attempt to do this? The AFL and the XFL both were spring leagues. Wasn’t even the WFL a summer league? While I don’t think that trying to go head-to-head with the NFL is at all a wise thing for a second league to do, watching football in the spring seems somehow wrong to me. Might have somethign to do with the low ratings for non-fall football: that’s basketball, baseball or even hockey season. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/17 "2009-06-21T01:55:54Z")
I thought the XFL was a fall league and that’s a big part of why it failed. Guess I misremembered. The AFL only vaguely resembled football… if they were happy just to be minor league standard football, they’d have picked up an audience I think. Maybe a January-March season… it’d overlap with the playoffs to begin with, but you could run the game on thursdays maybe. And the second half of your season would still be in the winter, but with no NFL season to compete with. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ufl-draft-discussion/500366/18 "2009-06-21T17:03:38Z")
The (lone) XFL season ran from February 21 to April something-or-other. I anxiously await the return of the Orlando Rage.