# Ugly chick is "too pretty to fly"? WTF? (RO) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 26, 2008, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218 "2008-02-26T14:37:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![11811](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/9d8465/32.png) [@11811](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/11811)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/61 "2008-02-26T23:47:04Z")
vis-a-vis other passengers, you were “pretty”? :rolleyes: Yeah, the brunette was kicked off the plane for being too pretty. :rolleyes: The blonde? I think she was kicked off for being a dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/62 "2008-02-26T23:54:04Z")
This sounds like a stunt to me. “Let’s be as Paris Hiltonesque as we can be and then get on TV! We’re so fuckin’ hawt not even Anderson Cooper will be able to resist us!” ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2008, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/63 "2008-02-26T23:55:58Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] The center of the universe is planet Beergoggles? [/QUOTE] Maybe it is my age showing. Maybe it is that I don’t frequent places where college co-eds frequent. Maybe it is that I was never handsome enough to go around insulting anyone because they didn’t live up to the Bo Derek ideal. Maybe it is that most of the women in my peer group have children who are approaching the ages of the girls in the clip. Maybe it is all of these things that colours my opinions. These girls are indeed full of themselves, but I can’t see either of them as “ugly”. Heck, the brunette, compared to what I see daily, is better than average, and the blond is prettier. That said, she could certainly have dressed better and put on some makeup for a TV interview. She looked better in every picture of her shown during the interview. **catsix** , my guess is that the girls in question were being obnoxious, and made themselves very easy to find. Of course, they have _no idea_ that they might have been annoying others and _can’t understand_ why they are being singled out. In related news, the parents of Anthony P. Alvino, 19, pled guilty to [covering up](http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/tuesday/longisland/ny-lialvi265592002feb26,0,3532761.story) his hit-and-run killing of Carlee Wines, also 19. The penalty - $4,000 in fines that they paid on the way out the door. Both the parents response and the penalty for their response makes me think, _Stop the world, I want to get off!_ ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/64 "2008-02-27T00:06:58Z")
I must have missed something in the story. I listened to it twice, but I didn’t hear either of them say they were pretty. The girl at the end says that she was discriminated based on her looks, but that doesn’t mean good looks. It could mean any number of things that people judge based on looks, perhaps rightly, perhaps wrongly. The other one said essentially the same. . . that they were young, decently-looking girls and that there weren’t others like that on the plane. That doesn’t say much. It certainly didn’t say pretty. They could have meant that they were discriminated based on how young they looked or how they were dressed, not how pretty they were (neither of them mentioned pretty). ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/65 "2008-02-27T00:12:06Z")
[QUOTE=D\_Odds] Maybe it is my age showing. Maybe it is that I don’t frequent places where college co-eds frequent. Maybe it is that I was never handsome enough to go around insulting anyone because they didn’t live up to the Bo Derek ideal. Maybe it is that most of the women in my peer group have children who are approaching the ages of the girls in the clip. Maybe it is all of these things that colours my opinions. These girls are indeed full of themselves, but I can’t see either of them as “ugly”. Heck, the brunette, compared to what I see daily, is better than average, and the blond is prettier. [/QUOTE] Get thee to any college campus in the country. Within five minutes you’ll see dozens of girls hotter than these two, who are both average at best. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/66 "2008-02-27T00:24:01Z")
[QUOTE=garygnu] I think the aspect ratio on that video was off (stretched). There’s a closeup of the brunette’s hands and her pearl was oval. [/QUOTE] I was too distracted by her neon nails to notice any distraction. My vision just dropped two points. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/67 "2008-02-27T00:24:47Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] Ha ha ha. DELTA? There’s no “first class” on Delta, there is only those who’re lucky that their flights weren’t cancelled or didn’t crash. [/quote] Dude, you ain’t lying! ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/68 "2008-02-27T00:45:12Z")
::sob!:: Won’t someone _please_ think about the attractive young spoiled women of the world? Can’t we just please satisfy their every whim immediately? You’re all unfeeling brutes. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/69 "2008-02-27T01:06:19Z")
I’ve been waiting all day to watch this. _So_ not what I was expecting. That’s what passes for “breaking news” on CNN these days? IMO only, of course, the dark-haired girl talking was ‘pretty’ in that kind of way when you’ve had seven pints of beer and you’re feeling horny and you can vaguely make out a shape near you that has tits and hips, so you go back to her place, and then you wake up the next morning and gnaw your own arm off at the shoulder to avoid waking her up so you can leave. The blonde girl, from her stills - yeah, I would. I also swear that she just about stopped herself from saying they were “white” at one point. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/70 "2008-02-27T01:15:31Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] _Cite?_ [/QUOTE] [Cite.](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dc/MamieSmith.png/220px-MamieSmith.png) [Cite.](http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1953/103056703411f9f2390010fvk1.jpg) [Cite. And yes, I am talking about the lady on the left.](http://www.events-in-music.com/images/ella_marilyn.jpg) But eye of the beholder and all that. I for one, have a very, very different idea of beauty than most in this society, thank goodness, or else I would be a basket case about my own appearance! But I do know what kind of looks this society normally seems to value, and the blonde seems to fit it to a tee. I am very surprised to see so many post that she is not pretty. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/71 "2008-02-27T01:21:43Z")
[QUOTE=11811] vis-a-vis other passengers, you were “pretty”? :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] [Loyd Bentsen]" Lady, I’ve studied with pretty women. I’ve worked with pretty women. Pretty women have been friends of mine. \*\*You, Ma’am, Are \*Not a Pretty Woman…! \* \*\* "[/Loyd Bentsen] ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/72 "2008-02-27T01:26:21Z")
[QUOTE=Heffalump and Roo] I must have missed something in the story. I listened to it twice, but I didn’t hear either of them say they were pretty. The girl at the end says that she was discriminated based on her looks, but that doesn’t mean good looks. It could mean any number of things that people judge based on looks, perhaps rightly, perhaps wrongly. [/QUOTE] By golly, you’re right. I can’t believe I missed this upon viewing the video for the first time. The blonde said they were ‘decent-looking’ (in a list of traits) and the brunette only _answered_ a question regarding their ‘prettiness.’ That’ll teach me to be influenced by CNN’s brief video descriptions (and, hey, SDMB OPs). This looks more like crap reporting than media whoring. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/73 "2008-02-27T01:46:32Z")
[QUOTE=jjimm] I’ve been waiting all day to watch this. _So_ not what I was expecting. That’s what passes for “breaking news” on CNN these days? IMO only, of course, the dark-haired girl talking was ‘pretty’ in that kind of way when you’ve had seven pints of beer and you’re feeling horny and you can vaguely make out a shape near you that has tits and hips, so you go back to her place, and then you wake up the next morning and gnaw your own arm off at the shoulder to avoid waking her up so you can leave. [/QUOTE] I was trying to find a way to express my opinion of her, but your description sums it up nicely. Except I wouldn’t wake up next to her since she’s a girl, and I’m straight, but if I were a guy, and I was drunk, and . . . oh, never mind. I’m sure the girl thought it was the height of humility to describe herself as “decent-looking.” ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/74 "2008-02-27T01:54:26Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Good from afar, but far from good? [/QUOTE] Ah, a Monet girl. One of the few things I remember from _Clueless_. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/75 "2008-02-27T04:06:55Z")
Blonde girl is reasonably cute, but not pretty. She won’t really age well, as another poster said. The brunette looks like someone who photographs well and knows how to put on good skanky makeup. In the video, she’s merely nice average. Neither would be considered Hollywood/celebrity pretty at all, but for ‘normal girl’ they’re respectively ‘relatively cute’ and ‘prettier side of average, but still completely average’. ---
**Author:** ![atomicbadgerrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@atomicbadgerrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atomicbadgerrace)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/76 "2008-02-27T04:18:08Z")
[QUOTE=Heffalump and Roo] I must have missed something in the story. I listened to it twice, but I didn’t hear either of them say they were pretty. The girl at the end says that she was discriminated based on her looks, but that doesn’t mean good looks. It could mean any number of things that people judge based on looks, perhaps rightly, perhaps wrongly. The other one said essentially the same. . . that they were young, decently-looking girls and that there weren’t others like that on the plane. That doesn’t say much. It certainly didn’t say pretty. They could have meant that they were discriminated based on how young they looked or how they were dressed, not how pretty they were (neither of them mentioned pretty). [/QUOTE] Um… so, the girls had _just_ enough sense to not use the word “pretty”? Her statement (corroborated by almost every news station covering this today, for whatever reason – do a google search) was > [@](#): > > I think they were just discriminating against because we were young decent-looking girls. I mean, nobody else on the plane looked like us except us. They were like older ladies. We were younger. Who knows, they could have been just jealous of us because we were younger. Okay, so when this skank says “we’re decent looking girls, and nobody on the plane looked like us,” that doesn’t mean “we were pretty”? ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/77 "2008-02-27T04:55:32Z")
[QUOTE=ntucker] My take on the story is: two girls are convinced of their own mega-hotness. They think they’re actually hot enough to get special attention and adoration, including being served before everyone else, never having to wait for the bathroom, and generally having the world ignore the fact that they’re insufferable brats. After all, Paris Hilton gets away with it and some people actually think it’s cute. Any situation where the people around them don’t conform to this world-view is interpreted as others being jealous of their mega-hotness. [/QUOTE] Seconded. Brownie was attractive in an 18th century tavern wench way (must have been that elastic top); but geeze, you get the impression they haven’t had to interact as adults with anyone but frat boys before. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/78 "2008-02-27T05:09:42Z")
[QUOTE=atomicbadgerrace] Okay, so when this skank says “we’re decent looking girls, and nobody on the plane looked like us,” that doesn’t mean “we were pretty”? [/QUOTE] Wait. . . and you’re saying that’s the only possible interpretation? Decent-looking might have meant clean, respectable, well-bred. . .and on top of that, young. I haven’t seen any other reports. If you come up with one where they say they’re pretty, I’ll take your word for it. But the fact that you used the word “skank” says that you made the interpretation based on more than their words. If it was a guy speaking, you’d likely not make that interpretation. So if the fact that those girls looked a certain way made you interpret their words in a specific way, then no, I’m not likely to say that there was only one way to interpret it. ---
**Author:** ![Nzinga\_Seated](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b5ac83/32.png) [@Nzinga\_Seated](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nzinga_Seated)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/79 "2008-02-27T05:19:48Z")
I gotta ask it. Because I thought I knew for a fact what is considered pretty in this society. I should have known better than to be so presumptuous. For those that are saying the blonde isn’t pretty, could you explain to me what could make her prettier? I am serious. I am genuinely interested in which of those features I see in that still pic that are not consistent with what people have been trying to teach me is ‘pretty’ my whole life. Is the blonde as pretty as Paris Hilton? Is Paris pretty? Lindsy Lohan? Britney Spears? (6 years ago Britney). ---
**Author:** ![atomicbadgerrace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8e7dd6/32.png) [@atomicbadgerrace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/atomicbadgerrace)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2008, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218/80 "2008-02-27T05:22:19Z")
[QUOTE=Heffalump and Roo] Wait. . . and you’re saying that’s the only possible interpretation? [/QUOTE] No, but given the video interview, the girl’s attitude, and her choice of words, I’d say with 99.99% certainty that that’s clearly what she meant. > [@](#): > > Decent-looking might have meant clean, respectable, well-bred. . .and on top of that, young. Either way, that doesn’t make the case any better. Either way, she’s stuck up enough to elevate herself above X number of other people onboard, whether she’s saying that “no one else was pretty,” or “no one else was clean,” she’s still a brat. > [@](#): > > But the fact that you used the word “skank” says that you made the interpretation based on more than their words. If it was a guy speaking, you’d likely not make that interpretation. So if the fact that those girls looked a certain way made you interpret their words in a specific way, then no, I’m not likely to say that there was only one way to interpret it. I did make the interpretation based on more than words. I used my real-world knowledge of people with similar attitudes in conjunction with her words to form my opinion. If it were a guy speaking, I’d say the same (though I may have chosen to use “jackass” instead of “skank”). How the girls looked really had little influence; if it had been a morbidly obese woman who hadn’t showered in weeks using the same words with the same attitude, I’d still come to the conclusion that she thought she was prettier than everyone else. It seems a fair number of reporters agree. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ugly-chick-is-too-pretty-to-fly-wtf-ro/439218.md?page=5)