# UK EU In/Out referendum-:Polling day thread.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [June 23, 2016, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125 "2016-06-23T08:12:31Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/121 "2016-06-24T03:35:53Z")

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ITV projects a Leave win.

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**Author:** ![mr\_wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@mr\_wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr_wolf)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/122 "2016-06-24T03:45:38Z")

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Here you go America, overnight discounted travel. 5% off for continental Europe, double that for the UK.

You’re welcome.

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**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/123 "2016-06-24T03:46:35Z")

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I’m astonished that the “Leave” vote seems likely to prevail, though I probably shouldn’t be. The xenophobic, anti-immigrant sentiment behind it seems very similar to what has propelled Donald Trump to become the presumptive Republican nominee for U.S. president.

Indeed, one of the prominent groups for the “Leave” campaign was [criticized for promoting an anti-immigrant Trump video](http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/10/leave-eu-condemned-xenophobic-donald-trump-video).

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**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/124 "2016-06-24T03:48:31Z")

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BBC is now forecasting a “Leave” win.

Predicted result: Leave 52%, Remain 48%

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**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/125 "2016-06-24T03:51:02Z")

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Well, I suppose change is a good thing, right?

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**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/126 "2016-06-24T03:52:07Z")

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> [@Leaffan](#):
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> As far as I know Wales has never wanted to separate from the UK. Both Scotland and Northern Ireland have.
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> Scotland and Northern Ireland feel that they’re stronger tied to the EU than they are to the UK, from which many want to separate.

Wales as a whole, no, but a sizeable minority, absolutely. I take it you’re not familiar with Plaid Cymru, Cymdeithas yr Iaith, or Meibion Glyndŵr? All advocate more independence and self-determination, and quite a few want Wales out of the UK, though everyone I’ve ever talked to wanted that to be within the context of the EU. Otherwise, it’s too small and impoverished a country.

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**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/127 "2016-06-24T03:52:07Z")

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> [@up\_the\_junction](#):
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> Yes. Fuck Berlin.

Forgive this ignorant American, but what does Berlin have to do with this?

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**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/128 "2016-06-24T03:52:24Z")

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Apparently the voters weren’t buying what the PM (politicians), or David Beckham (famous), or the news media were selling.

England will survive.  
Great Britain will survive.  
The United Kingdom will survive.

But who will bail out the economies of the European Union’s Greece, Portugal, and Spain?

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**Author:** ![mr\_wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@mr\_wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr_wolf)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/129 "2016-06-24T03:54:28Z")

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Sorry, did I say 10%?

Now 11% off while stocks last.

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**Author:** ![DerekMichaels00](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DerekMichaels00](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DerekMichaels00)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/130 "2016-06-24T03:54:30Z")

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Mass Muslim immigration has consequences, other than new voter blocs for some political parties. Other countries better take note.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/131 "2016-06-24T04:01:10Z")

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> Apparently the voters weren’t buying what the PM (politicians), or David Beckham (famous), or the news media were selling.
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> England will survive.  
> Great Britain will survive.  
> The United Kingdom will survive.
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> But who will bail out the economies of the European Union’s Greece, Portugal, and Spain?

The UK only participated in two bailouts, Ireland (duh) and Portugal, and there was already an agreement in place that would reimburse them for any EU funds used in future bailouts.

Germany was the leader, and probably will be in future.

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**Author:** ![Flyer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyer/32/7298_2.png) [@Flyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flyer)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/132 "2016-06-24T04:02:51Z")

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> [@dropzone](#):
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> I am just a Yank of the Brexit age, but just how senile must be to see this as a good idea?
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> I will never understand old people.

It’s called “self-determination.” Perhaps you’ve heard of South Sudan, Kosovo, Montenegro, East Timor, and so forth?

Evidently, the British people as a whole have become tired of being dictated to by Brussels.

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**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/133 "2016-06-24T04:03:01Z")

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> [@UltraVires](#):
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> ITV projects a Leave win.

Brave call 🙂  
“Hey look Ma, the horses have all bolted.”

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**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/134 "2016-06-24T04:03:26Z")

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> The United Kingdom will survive.

You a betting man? Because I don’t think it is at all clear that Scotland and England will be in a united kingdom ten years down the road.

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**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/135 "2016-06-24T04:06:27Z")

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Can Cameron stay on as PM? Should he?

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/136 "2016-06-24T04:07:01Z")

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> [@DerekMichaels00](#):
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> Mass Muslim immigration has consequences, other than new voter blocs for some political parties. Other countries better take note.

“Mass Muslim immigration” is a proximate cause of this consequence. Mass white people racism is a more direct cause of this consequence. And yeah, the British economy is getting flushed right now, as racist white people retake the control that had been slightly slipping from them recently. Other countries better take note.

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**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/137 "2016-06-24T04:12:01Z")

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> [@Flyer](#):
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> Evidently, the British people as a whole have become tired of being dictated to by Brussels.

No at most 52% of the 76% voter turnout voted to leave. Thats a long way from “British people as a whole”.

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**Author:** ![mr\_wolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@mr\_wolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mr_wolf)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/138 "2016-06-24T04:13:18Z")

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> [@AK84](#):
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> Can Cameron stay on as PM? Should he?

Farage just asked him, via reporters, to go, to go now.

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**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/139 "2016-06-24T04:16:21Z")

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Interesting article [here](http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/brexit-vote-donald-trump-rise-nationalism-213985) comparing the Brexit vote to the rise of Trump here in the U.S.

> [@POLITICO](#):
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> …Worried about the growing influence of UKIP and its leader, Farage, Cameron offered the EU referendum to the anti-EU wing of the party in 2013 as a way to win reelection. But he went further, criticizing the EU until he had boxed himself in to carrying through with the vote—a vote that anti-Brexit forces initially thought they would win handily.
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> …it’s very much like how GOP leaders stoked anti-Washington rage among their members, inadvertently fueling the rise of Trump. Cameron kept “throwing concessions to his Euro-skeptic backbenchers” in the same way that U.S. Republican leaders kept saying “no, no, no” to Obamacare and promising again and again that they would repeal it, Oliver said. That helped discredit the GOP establishment—and [led] to Trump.

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**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\
**Post date:** [June 24, 2016, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-eu-in-out-referendum-polling-day-thread/758125/140 "2016-06-24T04:18:49Z")

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Now the Scots are talking about another vote on independence so they can rejoin the EU. Interesting times…

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