# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/203 "2017-05-02T08:28:11Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I’d label that closer to Them-ism. Is that because the English are not (generally) black? The Northern Ireland conflict was labelled as sectarianism because it split down Catholic and Protestant lines - two Christian sects. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/204 "2017-05-02T08:31:10Z")
[Here’s](http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/settler-watch-extremist-links-tartan-9834853)just one article about Scottish racists. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/205 "2017-05-02T10:06:49Z")
Dianne Abbott (a senior Labour parliamentarian and Corbyn advisor - and his squeeze) [wants to pay](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/02/labours-police-promise-tatters-diane-abbott-suggests-officers/) police officers £30 per year. :smack: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/206 "2017-05-02T10:18:35Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Dianne Abbott (a senior Labour parliamentarian and Corbyn advisor - and his squeeze) [wants to pay](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/02/labours-police-promise-tatters-diane-abbott-suggests-officers/) police officers £30 per year. :smack: :smack: Shadow Home Secretary, no less, and clearly mistress of her brief 😛 ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/207 "2017-05-02T10:23:19Z")
I’ve mentioned keeping Diane Abbott locked in the attic. She just cannot open her mouth without being a disaster, even on local fucking radio for gods sake. Makes Boris Johnson look competent; utterly useless. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/208 "2017-05-02T10:30:45Z")
[Here’s](http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/diane-abbotts-agonising-interview-over-policy-cost/) the original interview. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/209 "2017-05-02T10:46:41Z")
What’s really terrible about it is that right at the end she obviously finds the right page on her briefing papers and reads out a more-or-less sensible or at least not obviously insane set of figures. Too, too late, of course. But it just shows that she had been given the figures, and presumably had every opportunity to know what they actually were.\* She fucked it up because she clearly doesn’t actually care about the detail in the slightest. People vote on competence at least as much as they vote on policy and an own goal like this comes under the heading of doing the Tories’ job for them. All they have to do is keep May touring the country’s village halls and refusing questions while they point at Abbot paying police £80/year and they’re home free. \*(I’ve had to do the occasional radio interview for work, talking about new findings we’ve made. Each time I’ve had briefing note prepared by our press team and I have read it obsessively for the hour before the interview till I knew the figures backwards. And I still had it in front of me during the interview, highlighted and underlined. And this is me, an idiot, talking about something not that important. How the screaming fuck could a Labour Shadow Home Secretary go into an interview about a new initiative without knowing the answer to the obvious, inevitable question on how they’re going to pay for it? Labour couldn’t suggest getting a takeaway for dinner without being challenged on where the money is coming from, how did she not see it coming? Why doesn’t she care enough to do her goddam job?) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/210 "2017-05-02T11:10:42Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Shadow Home Secretary, no less, and clearly mistress of her brief 😛 > [@Stanislaus](#): > > What’s really terrible about it is that right at the end she obviously finds the right page on her briefing papers and reads out a more-or-less sensible or at least not obviously insane set of figures… She fucked it up because she clearly doesn’t actually care about the detail in the slightest. People vote on competence at least as much as they vote on policy and an own goal like this comes under the heading of doing the Tories’ job for them… How the screaming fuck could a Labour Shadow Home Secretary go into an interview about a new initiative without knowing the answer I’d just like to highlight this for the American readers, because the issue of mastering a brief cropped up in one of the Trump Cabinet threads. We in the UK don’t expect our ministers to be experts in the areas to which they are appointed; we do expect them to master their briefs, and this is a classic example of a complete and utter failure. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/211 "2017-05-02T11:17:05Z")
She’s the worst prepared front bencher I’ve seen. She has always been lazy, always been a blagger. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/212 "2017-05-02T13:37:37Z")
I’m honestly at a loss who to vote for. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/213 "2017-05-02T13:40:30Z")
Yeesh. That was pretty bad. ---
**Author:** ![phaemon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/977dab/32.png) [@phaemon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phaemon)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/214 "2017-05-02T13:40:49Z")
To lighten the mood a little, from the Scottish Conservative Party leaflet, Ruth gives us: > [@](#): > > And we need to tell her that her government should get back to the job they were elected to do - improving our schools and hospitals and growing our economy. > > You have my guarantee that the Scottish Conservatives will oppose the SNP every step of the way. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![phaemon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/977dab/32.png) [@phaemon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phaemon)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/215 "2017-05-02T13:46:18Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Except, of course, I am here in Scotland and see it. And I’m also here in Scotland and I’ve no idea what you’re seeing. ---
**Author:** ![phaemon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/977dab/32.png) [@phaemon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phaemon)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/216 "2017-05-02T13:49:10Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Or put another way; “Anti-English” was enough. The “racism” was superfluous. Imo. That’s the bit I don’t get. What was anti-English? Where was there any mention of the English or England in the graffiti? Did I miss some? ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/217 "2017-05-02T14:06:19Z")
> [@phaemon](#): > > To lighten the mood a little, from the Scottish Conservative Party leaflet, Ruth gives us: > > 😃 Shades of Yes Minister: > [@Jim Hacker](#): > > When a country’s being going downhill as long as this one has, what it needs is for someone to get in the driving seat and put his foot on the accelerator. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/218 "2017-05-02T16:20:46Z")
> [@phaemon](#): > > That’s the bit I don’t get. What was anti-English? Where was there any mention of the English or England in the graffiti? Did I miss some? It was sprayed on the doors of the two main Unionist (i.e. ‘English traitor’) parties. See also the link I posted this morning about a SNP member convicted of racism. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/219 "2017-05-02T18:31:04Z")
Well if there’s any illusions that Brexit talks will fail because of the EU being truculent, they should be dispelled now: [May says she’ll be ‘bloody difficult’](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39784170) This is all on Brexiters wanting all the perks and none of the responsibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/220 "2017-05-02T18:37:50Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > This is all on Brexiters wanting all the perks and none of the responsibilities. I disagree; it’s all posturing - on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/221 "2017-05-02T18:44:49Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I disagree; it’s all posturing - on both sides. Coupled with the summary of the interview with Juncker the other day, which shows the UK Government detached from reality, the EU firm, and May unprepared, I think the posturing’s all one-sided. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/222 "2017-05-02T18:47:59Z")
She is relentless in trying to make the election about bloody Brexit, and it makes no sense. We all know there will be tough negotiations. Okay. Brilliant. Now lets talk about the election: austerily and alternatives, the NHS, education and class sizes, social care for elderly, etc, etc. Oh no, lets talk about stable and solid and … Brexit. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=12)