# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/403 "2017-05-17T11:57:36Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > … > And they’re taking the wrong tack by attacking the rich. They should be concentrating on helping the poor. Any poor person with intelligence - and that’s a lot of them - is going to think, “I may be poor now, but I might not be in the future. And my children / grandchildren might grow to be rich.” Agreed. Sort of. Here in the US a few years ago there were surveys showing that something like 50% of young people honestly expected to end up in the top 5% of earners. The wealthy and their pet political party have seized on that fantasy and have carefully nurtured it since to ensure that a large fraction of the populace now votes for things demonstrably not in their own economic interest. Not now, and statistically speaking, not ever. Widespread voting by the working classes for things that are directly counter to economic mobility for their own children is pretty obviously the result of bad thinking and/or bad information. I’m not somebody who believes the working classes are stupid. My bet’s on bad information carefully crafted and fed to them all day every day. Agree that “attacking” the rich is doing it wrong. That’s different from saying, as we do on this side of the pond, that anything not in the interests of the 0.1% is necessarily harmful to the 99.9%. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/404 "2017-05-17T12:03:13Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > There’s still over three weeks to go. That’s plenty of time for the Tories to cock it up. Just wait until Boris escapes the dungeons. [Indeed](https://twitter.com/SimsonPete/status/864787414698655744) > [@](#): > > “Sensational gaffe by Boris. After promising free trade to end tariffs on whisky between UK & India, Sikh lady informs it’s against religion” > > "She’s absolutely livid. Boris Johnson apologises. “How dare you talk about alcohol in a Sikh temple.” > > She told him about alcoholism in her family. He’s apologised several times. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/405 "2017-05-17T12:08:14Z")
Is it just me or is there a certain … inconsistency in someone saying “I’m religiously outraged; nobody in our religion would ever touch alcohol. Nobody. Besides, my extended family are a bunch of drunks.” IMO she’d do better to make one argument or the other; together they’re not so good. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/406 "2017-05-17T12:37:52Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > That wasn’t cronyism, that was making sure people could get paid. And bags of it went on bonuses. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/407 "2017-05-17T12:48:07Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > If the Tories do win 1/4 of the Seats in Scotland as [opinion polls suggest then where does that leave](http://news.sky.com/story/tory-optimism-grows-in-scotland-after-very-dark-years-10875063) You’ve got to be careful here. I’m expecting a large number of tactical votes - mine will be one - by Unionists. People won’t necessarily be voting for the Tories but voting for the Union. Some of those votes will go to the Tories, some to Labour, and others to the Lib Dems. I will be voting for the party most likely to defeat the SNP. That will be either Labour or the Tories. I voted Labour last time - Dame Anne Begg was a very good local MP - but it seems the Tories are on the rise here and if they’re the best means of defeating the SNP, I’ll vote for them in their Unionist guise. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/408 "2017-05-17T13:02:31Z")
It is a lot of money. Labour is advocating a realignment after 9 years of ever-increasing austerity. It does start to address social care but doesn’t even reach as far as benefits. The scale of what George Osborn did is extraordinary. FFS, even Theresa May couldn’t countenance it. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/409 "2017-05-17T13:05:40Z")
The trouble is for Boris Labour still has Diane Fucking Abbot. Is it me or are both front benches brim full of mediocrity? ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/410 "2017-05-17T13:26:36Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > If the Tories do win 1/4 of the Seats in Scotland as [opinion polls suggest then where does that leave](http://news.sky.com/story/tory-optimism-grows-in-scotland-after-very-dark-years-10875063) > > 1. Labour who have depended on Scotland to form Governments (with the exception of Blair’s first two terms) > > 2. The Independence Referendum demand. 1. As of 2015 when the SNP swept Scotland, Labour can no longer depend on Scotland to form governments. If the Tories were to establish themselves as the second party in Scotland that makes it harder for Labour to make a come back (probably) but the real threat to Labour in Scotland is the SNP, not the Tories. 2. Tory success in Scotland is built largely on Unionism, not Conservatism. So their success will mirror demand for a second referendum rather than being a driver of that demand. Over time, you might get a consistency effect as people who have made the (for some) difficult choice to vote Tory commit to their Unionism in order to maintain consistency, but it won’t be huge. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/411 "2017-05-17T13:36:40Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Is it me or are both front benches brim full of mediocrity? No, it’s not just you. And Labour HQ are being idiots. [Here in Aberdeen](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-39940006) Labour are forming an anti-SNP Unionist coalition, and Labour HQ are threatening to suspend them. Completely fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/412 "2017-05-17T14:28:03Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Is it just me or is there a certain … inconsistency in someone saying “I’m religiously outraged; nobody in our religion would ever touch alcohol. Nobody. Besides, my extended family are a bunch of drunks.” > > IMO she’d do better to make one argument or the other; together they’re not so good. 😃 Yeah, it looks a bit weird. But it’s not really inconsistent - she’s not saying no one would ever touch alcohol, she’s saying it’s the prohibition is an important part of their religion. I mean, I’m pretty sure that some Catholics have pre-marital sex, but I wouldn’t crack wise about it in front of the congregation. The more so if I guessed that some people there might be or know single parents. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/413 "2017-05-17T14:29:50Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, it’s not just you. > > And Labour HQ are being idiots. [Here in Aberdeen](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-39940006) Labour are forming an anti-SNP Unionist coalition, and Labour HQ are threatening to suspend them. Completely fucking stupid. Not entirely. Labour have endured (and to some extents are still enduring) a severe electoral kicking because they were painted as being in bed with the Tories. Allowing your councillors to form any kind of pact with a Tory group does rather play in to that narrative. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/414 "2017-05-17T15:33:16Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > [Indeed](https://twitter.com/SimsonPete/status/864787414698655744) Prince Philip retires from public life and Boris steps up to the plate manfully. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/415 "2017-05-17T15:35:22Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Not entirely. Labour have endured (and to some extents are still enduring) a severe electoral kicking because they were painted as being in bed with the Tories. Got a cite for that? Because it’s the first I’ve heard of it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/416 "2017-05-17T15:44:31Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Prince Philip retires from public life and Boris steps up to the plate manfully. Designated British Gaffe Generator: it’s a tough job, but somebody’s got to do it. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/417 "2017-05-17T15:55:49Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > No, it’s not just you. > > And Labour HQ are being idiots. [Here in Aberdeen](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-39940006) … I don’t care. Got as far as ‘Aberdeen’ and gone. Utterly tedious. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/418 "2017-05-17T16:15:37Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Got a cite for that? Because it’s the first I’ve heard of it. Sure: [Salmond’s big attack line in his second debate with Darling.](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28929057) [A defeated Labour 2015 candidate reflects on the campaign](http://labourhame.com/the-big-lie-how-the-snp-deceived-the-scottish-public/): > [@](#): > > We heard it time and time again. Labour had signed up to Tory Austerity, £30bn of cuts. \*\* It underpinned the charges of “Red Tory” that every Scottish Labour candidate had lobbed at them on the doorstep and at hustings\*\*. They said it so often it became almost impossible to dismiss. [All the “Red Tories Out” election imagery in this Google image search](https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22red+tories+out%22&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSx4Opp_fTAhVKLMAKHYJwA8sQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=950) [This SNP branch](http://www.stirlingsnp.com/stirling-really-red-tory-blue-tory-equal-tory/)using the term explicitly to link Labour with the Conservatives. That’s 5 mins of googling. “Red Tory” is the SNP attack line on Labour and has been since 2014. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/419 "2017-05-17T16:30:26Z")
:smack: Yup. It’s all coming back. Labour are still wrong to object. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/420 "2017-05-17T17:26:47Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I don’t care. Got as far as ‘Aberdeen’ and gone. Utterly tedious. So should we equally ignore events in South London? All politics is local. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/421 "2017-05-17T18:19:28Z")
The Financial Times has again blocked me, but it seems [this interesting graphic](http://i.imgur.com/JuMXrpQ.jpg) about Leave/Remain and party allegiance comes from [this FT article](https://www.ft.com/content/85f4f7b2-3a58-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec). ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/422 "2017-05-17T19:25:28Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > So should we equally ignore events in South London? All politics is local. Please do, all one of them, that one quoting one poster and directed towards that poster. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=22)