# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/523 "2017-05-23T14:21:55Z")
On the plus side, consider how one Mr Osborne might be feeling. It’s now too late for him to stand as an MP in anticipation of May’s failure. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/524 "2017-05-23T14:27:53Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > If we assume your enthusiasm is rewarded and Labor forms the next government, what then? I’m not trying to be a smart-ass or set a rhetorical trap. I’m genuinely wondering how the rest plays out. > > Perhaps Corbyn becomes PM. Perhaps there’s some internal party discord and somehow one of the other current Labor leading lights becomes PM. There is clearly a ‘Labour surge’ though quite where and what that is we probably won’t know until the polls close - it’s regional in a tactical voting environment, with a large number of ‘off radar’ new and returning participants. So he best the polls can give us, imo, is a rough indication of the trends. It looks impossible for Corbyn but we’ve been there enough in recent times to know their is no such thing. In the highly unlikely event Labour form the next Government, Corbyn will be PM. Fwiw, I don’t think the EU and the UK are getting divorced anyway - the UK will take back control of its borders but we just don’t now the rest of the new reality yet, not least because France and Germany have yet to decide how they want the new look EU to be (one election down, one to go). The new arrangement may or may not fall within the EU brand, but after all the chest beating there will still be a comprehensive agreement. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/525 "2017-05-23T14:42:29Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > There really aren’t any good outcomes to this election. If the Conservatives win outright they’ll continue to drive the country to the right and the economy into the toilet. In the unlikely event Labour win outright we get the Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott shitshow. This is pathetic. Could you truly be any more self-absorbed in your middle class judgemental way. This is the way Labour would like to change the lives and life opportunities of millions of people: > **[Election 2017: Labour's key manifesto pledges](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/16/election-2017-labours-manifesto-key-pledges/)** > > Watch our animation to find out everything you need to know about what Jeremy Corbyn is promising in Labour's 2017 election manifesto. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/526 "2017-05-23T14:44:13Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > France and Germany have yet to decide how they want the new look EU to be (one election down, one to go). Last I heard, Merkel was on track for another win. That’s “strong, stable leadership” for you. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/527 "2017-05-23T14:51:50Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > This is pathetic. Could you truly be any more self-absorbed in your middle class judgemental way. Thank you for showing me what it’s like to be neither self-absorbed nor judgemental. > [@](#): > > This is the way Labour would like to change the lives and life opportunities of millions of people: > > [Election 2017: Labour's key manifesto pledges](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/16/election-2017-labours-manifesto-key-pledges/) I’m not quibbling with Labour’s manifesto (which has many fine points to it). I just think Corbyn lacks all leadership skills – and I say that as someone who vastly preferred him to the other three Labour leadership candidates – and Diane Abbott is a venial self-aggrandizing lickspittle unsuited to the front bench. Of the three I prefer McDonnell, but not by much. It’s disturbing how often in recent years I’ve had to choose between benign incompetence and active malevolence in elections. Yet here we are again. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/528 "2017-05-23T15:16:22Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The thought of Boris as Tory leader is a sad one but the other options aren’t much better there either. I suspect, if it were to happen, Boris is no more in the running than he was last time. It might be David Davis’s moment again. If it were to happen, which it won’t. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/529 "2017-05-23T20:01:10Z")
And [some stupid politico](http://www.stroudnewsandjournal.co.uk/news/15303456.UPDATED __Stroud_Labour_vice_chairman_says_Manchester_Arena_terror_attack_is____ wonderful_timing_for_Theresa_May___/) has dragged the Manchester bombing into the election. > [@](#): > > STROUD Labour Party’s vice-chairman has said the terror attack at Manchester Arena is “wonderful timing for Theresa May”. Quite properly, though, she’s been slapped down: > [@](#): > > David Drew, Labour’s MP candidate for Stroud in the upcoming General Election said: "I wish to completely disassociate my campaign and the Stroud Constituency Labour Party from the remarks made by Debbie Hicks. > > "These have been made in a personal capacity and in no way represent my views and those of the Labour Party at either national or local level. Well said, Mr Drew. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/530 "2017-05-23T21:03:40Z")
I can’t be arsed linking, I’m sure you can all google, but the threat level has just been raised to “critical” ie an attack may be imminent, 1000s of troops are to be deployed to support police in protecting key areas\*, and the election campaigning is still suspended. Well, that’s all very convenient. - for interested Americans, regular Army gets deployed to help out fairly often, there’s no constitutional issue about that like you lot have. For instance, they ended up doing a lot of the security at the London 2012 Olympics, help out with flood relief etc ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/531 "2017-05-23T22:43:50Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > I can’t be arsed linking, I’m sure you can all google, but the threat level has just been raised to “critical” ie an attack may be imminent, A little late, wouldn’t you say? Stable door etc… ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/532 "2017-05-24T05:05:51Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Last I heard, Merkel was on track for another win. That’s “strong, stable leadership” for you. 😃 And Putin! Don’t forget ol’ Vlad. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/533 "2017-05-24T07:47:11Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > A little late, wouldn’t you say? Stable door etc… Unfortunately, it means that they think the bomber had close links to other potential attackers who a) were already planning on further attacks or b) are likely to do so now rather than wait to be arrested in the aftermath. Or that this is part of a wider co-ordinated campaign. FWIW, I think the use of troops is now part of standard operating procedure for this threat level, rather than political theatre (although it does have some kind of political impact). I would like to see the campaign restart though. That’s an important “business as usual” signal. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/534 "2017-05-24T09:21:35Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > I would like to see the campaign restart though. That’s an important “business as usual” signal. Yes, I agree. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/535 "2017-05-24T13:28:04Z")
For example, if we had restarted the campaign we could be asking Theresa May about her inability to produce a [costed manifesto](http://schoolsweek.co.uk/conservatives-back-track-on-60m-for-primary-school-breakfasts/): > [@](#): > > The Conservative Party has admitted that a key manifesto commitment to provide breakfasts for every primary school pupil in England could cost far more than the £60 million initially promised. > In a second embarrassing U-turn for the party following the debacle over its social care plans, the Conservatives now say the costs of providing breakfasts “will vary depending on how many pupils at any given school take up this offer”. > > The party said in an official statement the night before its manifesto launch last week that the policy would cost £60 million, but is now refusing to confirm the figure, leaving the policy uncosted, and prompting questions about its affordability. > > It comes after Schools Week analysis revealed the party’s original costings would mean giving schools the equivalent of less than 7p per pupil to pay for breakfasts. > > Education Datalab analysis shows that if only half of pupils take up free breakfasts at a cost of 25p each, the likely cost of the policy would be more than £400 million. Lifehack: If the central plank of your election campaign is that only you are competent enough to lead Britain through the tough times ahead, don’t make needlessly boneheaded fuck-ups a major part of your manifesto launch. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/536 "2017-05-24T17:25:35Z")
This election really is a race to the bottom. And Labour’s Tina Buckley is excelling by [calling May a terrorist](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4537978/Woman-HECKLES-police-soldiers-Downing-Street.html). (Daily Mail link). ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/537 "2017-05-24T17:45:30Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > This election really is a race to the bottom. > > And Labour’s Tina Buckley is excelling by [calling May a terrorist](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4537978/Woman-HECKLES-police-soldiers-Downing-Street.html). (Daily Mail link). “Labour’s Tina Buckley” is rather over-stating it, no? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/538 "2017-05-24T17:58:20Z")
‘Unhinged Tina Buckley’ might be closer to the money. Can’t call foul on anything in these past 48 hours. Are we all back tomorrow? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/539 "2017-05-24T18:29:55Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > “Labour’s Tina Buckley” is rather over-stating it, no? Nope. Apparently, she’s a Labour activist. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/540 "2017-05-24T18:45:33Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Nope. Apparently, she’s a Labour activist. Well she’s got a JC shoulder bag, and has had her photo taken with him, so she’s doubtless a supporter. Doesn’t really make her “Labour’s Tina Buckley” though, does it? That level of association is more for elected officials and candidates. “The Conservative Party’s Jimmy Savile was accused…” “UKIP’s Ian Brady died…” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/541 "2017-05-24T18:45:47Z")
I suspect she might become a bit less… active. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/542 "2017-05-24T19:02:44Z")
What are we talking about. Another bizarre link. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=28)