# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 30
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/583 "2017-05-26T18:33:53Z")
Well, it went okay - predictable but okay. Fwiw, Corbyn is on firm ground (on the War on Terrah!) even if he isn’t as eloquent as Owen Jones was this afternoon - the first five mins is gold: [We have to debate the causes of terrorism | Jeremy Corbyn is right: we have to talk about the causes of terrorism if we're going to tackle fanatics who want to maim and kill. Me on Sky News earlier | By Owen Jones | Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/owenjones84/videos/1363580497068792/) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/584 "2017-05-26T18:37:04Z")
My decision to stay up and watch the election was derided when I mentioned it elsewhere. It now looks like it’s going to be a very exciting night. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/585 "2017-05-26T18:42:39Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Well, it went okay - predictable but okay. Agreed - he’s learning how to handle aggressive interviewing, and to be honest the most aggressive stuff Neil did ask was pretty predictable. He certainly did better than May did on Monday (which seems like waaaay longer than 4 days ago). ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/586 "2017-05-26T19:02:14Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Amazing to see Labour’s upward arc in the polls. I still expect a Tory win, but it will almost certainly not be the blowout May had hoped for from the outset. Is there a good site to view British polling, something equivalent to 538? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/587 "2017-05-26T19:13:27Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > My decision to stay up and watch the election was derided when I mentioned it elsewhere. It now looks like it’s going to be a very exciting night. I always watch General Election nights anyway, so Friday 9th is booked as a holiday. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/588 "2017-05-26T19:29:31Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Is there a good site to view British polling, something equivalent to 538? I usually peruse [http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/](http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/) ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/589 "2017-05-26T19:39:32Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Is there a good site to view British polling, something equivalent to 538? Not yet. 650 constituencies, very many aren’t 2-horse races, an awful lot of tactical voting, local and regional variations. Hell, national variations with 4 countries involved - it is complex. This time we also have an unusual number of off-radar voters. I can only guess but I still think the polls can only accurately indicate sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/590 "2017-05-26T19:40:12Z")
There is also this [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2017/may/08/general-election-2017-poll-tracker-who-is-in-the-lead](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2017/may/08/general-election-2017-poll-tracker-who-is-in-the-lead) ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/591 "2017-05-26T19:56:13Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Is there a good site to view British polling, something equivalent to 538? 538 have done their thing at a couple of UK General Elections now, with mixed results. Here’s the post-mortem on 2015: > **[What We Got Wrong In Our 2015 U.K. General Election Model](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-we-got-wrong-in-our-2015-uk-general-election-model/)** > > No calculations are necessary to see that we missed badly in our forecast of the U.K. election. Our final forecast was for the Conservatives to win an expected … The domestic pollsters didn’t really get that one right either, on the whole. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/592 "2017-05-26T20:00:38Z")
Thanks for the links! Labour really is improving consistently. And the Tories have past their peak. But I think time will run out before it makes a big difference. And looks like a tight race between UKIP and the Greens for the bottom. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/593 "2017-05-26T20:22:02Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > There is also this > > [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2017/may/08/general-election-2017-poll-tracker-who-is-in-the-lead](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2017/may/08/general-election-2017-poll-tracker-who-is-in-the-lead) I’ve been looking at this for weeks thinking they would realise how fucking stupid it is, but no … who cares about 14 days ago. It’s as relevant as last year. Weighted ave of the last 7 polls seems so much better - available from other resources (FT). ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/594 "2017-05-26T21:21:01Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Thanks for the links! Labour really is improving consistently. And the Tories have past their peak. But I think time will run out before it makes a big difference. It very much depends where Labour’s increased percentage of likely voters is distributed. They need to be picking up in marginals - holds and potential gains - and that’s unclear. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/595 "2017-05-26T22:11:54Z")
[Typical behaviour](http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/get-out-of-scotland-watch-tory-activists-harassed-on-street-1-4457902) of the SNP. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/596 "2017-05-27T00:08:07Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > [Typical behaviour](http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/get-out-of-scotland-watch-tory-activists-harassed-on-street-1-4457902) of the SNP. **Quartz** , it’s a civic and joyous nationalism. Not like those other nationalisms with their dark undercurrents, oh no. “Get out, not welcome” means something different from an SNP supporter driving around yelling at people, don’t you know. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/597 "2017-05-27T06:23:11Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > who cares about 14 days ago. Movement over time and direction of travel… ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/598 "2017-05-27T07:04:34Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > Is there a good site to view British polling, something equivalent to 538? Not quite 538 but there is this: [http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/](http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/) ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/599 "2017-05-27T07:39:56Z")
Conservative Central office in near melt down, allegedly. Thought the hysterical tone in both May and Johnson’s response to Corbyn yesterday was telling - they are taking the 'surge very seriously, and they really don’t like it up 'em 🙂 It surely can’t happen but nonetheless looking forward to tomorrow’s polls with almost kids-at-Christmas excitement! ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/600 "2017-05-27T09:16:52Z")
Corbyn’s been caught telling porkies. He claimed he never met the IRA, except in 2000 Corbyn shared a platform with Brendan McKenna at an event commemorating Bloody Sunday. [Guido](https://order-order.com/2017/05/26/corbyn-lies-never-met-ira/) has details of further meetings. And the Telegraph are reporting that people are starting to bet on Corbyn becoming PM. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/601 "2017-05-27T11:04:40Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Corbyn’s been caught telling porkies. The sad thing his fans don’t care. They have about as strong a relationship with reality as Trump supporters. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2017, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/602 "2017-05-27T13:05:02Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Only two weeks to go. Thank goodness. I’m looking forward to the end of this fuckwittery. Just be glad you only have to deal with two months of fuckwittery and not two years. I’ve mostly been keeping tabs on the UK election through shows like Have I Got News For You. I find it hilarious that May wanted to go to the same broken system for things like end-of-life care in the US (Medicaid pays for nursing home care, for example, but the state can then take the entire estate to pay it back) and then immediately had to walk it back. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=29) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=31)