# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/743 "2017-06-03T20:10:49Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > They’ve started to arrive, and they are all over the place. Comres has the Tories 12 points ahead, and Survation only 1 point ahead. > > Crucial to this is the assumptions they are making about turnout, particularly among the young. Which is why the Tories will probably win, I wish I could trust younger voters to turn out, but that’s a fool’s errand. The older Tory voters WILL turn out and vote and the younger Corbyn voters will probably insta tweet and face snap how much they love Labour and Corbyn, but not actually cast a ballot. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/744 "2017-06-03T20:18:10Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I’m not very good with Google and so just picked the first link: > > [NHS pay scales 2016-17 | Royal College of Nursing](https://www.rcn.org.uk/employment-and-pay/nhs-pay-scales-2016-17) Just checked, my figure was the average, not the starting. Mea Culpa, and so forth, thanks for correcting it. > [@](#): > > Also, why are you talking about salary when the issue under discussion was Tory real money pay cuts. Because it was mentioned that nurses pay is so low that they are having to rely on food banks, something I find dubious to put it mildly. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/745 "2017-06-03T20:20:15Z")
Hmm. I’ve started to keep an eye on the betting markets - hoping it might be 70%+ turnout as per Blair in 1997. The markets say no go; the range 60-65% has hardened a little in the past 2-3 days. No idea why the markets feel that way but it’s obv. disappointing for Labour. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/746 "2017-06-03T20:24:41Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Just checked, my figure was the average, not the starting. Mea Culpa, and so forth, thanks for correcting it. This isn’t intended as a criticism but an observation; if you really felt it sounded correct that nurses starting salary was £24,000 you might consider you could be a little out of touch. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/747 "2017-06-03T20:44:52Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > This isn’t intended as a criticism but an observation; if you really felt it sounded correct that nurses starting salary was £24,000 you might consider you could be a little out of touch. It doesn’t sound far off what I would expect it to be, given it’s now a graduate job. [This site](https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/adult-nurse) says starting pay is £21,600, which is slightly lower that I thought. I’m not sure how the figures given there square with an average of £24,000 to be honest. Maybe older nurses without degrees get lower pay, or something. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/748 "2017-06-03T20:50:12Z")
I think there’s a couple of polls still to come: •Survation: Con +1 •YouGov: Con +4 •Opinium: Con +6 •ORB: Con +9 •ICM: Con +11 •ComRes: Con +12 ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/749 "2017-06-03T21:25:13Z")
Thursday night is going to be an exciting night! ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/750 "2017-06-03T21:48:02Z")
7 polls in all tonight, range 1% to 12%. Bonkers. nb. live incident on London Bridge, van driving into pedestrians. I’m sure there will be a thread soon. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/751 "2017-06-03T21:51:34Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > 7 polls in all tonight, range 1% to 12%. Bonkers. > nb. live incident on London Bridge, van driving into pedestrians. I’m sure there will be a thread soon. I’ve started one in MPSIMS ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/752 "2017-06-03T21:54:19Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > It doesn’t sound far off what I would expect it to be, given it’s now a graduate job. > > [This site](https://www.prospects.ac.uk/job-profiles/adult-nurse) says starting pay is £21,600, which is slightly lower that I thought. I’m not sure how the figures given there square with an average of £24,000 to be honest. Maybe older nurses without degrees get lower pay, or something. That’s a basic Band 5 Staff Nurse position, ie entry level. [Here’s](https://www.healthcareers.nhs.uk/about/careers-nhs/nhs-pay-and-benefits/agenda-change-pay-rates) the full list of bands and spine points with some examples of the types of job at each level. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2017, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/753 "2017-06-03T22:10:25Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Thursday night is going to be an exciting night! And I’ll be working in the futures markets as the exit poll is announced. Let’s hope for something less ‘exciting’ than Brexit night and Trump night. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/754 "2017-06-04T02:17:30Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > The problem is the poster who provokes and then hits the ‘Report button’, again and again. > > And I’m sure he will do the same wit this post. > > Fwiw, I don’t care about warnings, do what you like - I’ve obv. committed another terrible offence. No poster who has been the subject of any Mod actions in this thread has also Reported a post. Stop trying to pass blame around and just continue the discussion without resorting to personal attacks. (You can drop the paranoid fantasies, as well.) [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/755 "2017-06-04T08:51:15Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > And I’ll be working in the futures markets as the exit poll is announced. Let’s hope for something less ‘exciting’ than Brexit night and Trump night. I will actually miss the announcement of the exit poll. I won’t get home until about half ten that night. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/756 "2017-06-04T11:08:32Z")
_reports post_ ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/757 "2017-06-04T11:13:49Z")
Campaigning suspended once again after the London Bridge attack. Although May’s criticising the internet for being too…what? Free? That allows terrorists to do bad things. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_wuzzy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_wuzzy)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/758 "2017-06-04T12:21:37Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Campaigning suspended once again after the London Bridge attack. Although May’s criticising the internet for being too…what? Free? That allows terrorists to do bad things. It’s noticeable that all sides on social media are still indulging in their fair share of political digs and point scoring over this attack. It would be interesting to know what proportion are centrally co-ordinated and what proportion are being posted by overly passionate amateurs. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/759 "2017-06-04T15:46:38Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Crucial to this is the assumptions they are making about turnout, particularly among the young. I think that with the Brexit vote last year still fresh in people’s minds the youth turnout will be much higher. Especially if it’s a nice day. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/760 "2017-06-04T18:11:47Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I think that with the Brexit vote last year still fresh in people’s minds the youth turnout will be much higher. Especially if it’s a nice day. The London forecast is showing a high of 19 C and a 50% chance of rain, so not an awful forecast. IIRC, Brexit Day had awful rain and floods. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/761 "2017-06-04T18:19:17Z")
I wonder… do we have any available statistics for applications for postal votes? ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/762 "2017-06-04T20:03:16Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > The London forecast is showing a high of 19 C and a 50% chance of rain, so not an awful forecast. IIRC, Brexit Day had awful rain and floods. Definitely. I was in a taxi that evening taking my wife home after she received the news that her mother had died. It was absolutely throwing it down. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=39)