# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 39
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/763 "2017-06-04T20:25:31Z")
OTOH I wonder if exams will affect the election? Younger people will be revising hard for upcoming exams and may feel that they cannot afford the hour or two required to vote. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/764 "2017-06-05T09:03:59Z")
Quartz - please don’t feel you have to respond to every post in the thread. But obv. report this post, as you do. So, the poll tracker suggests the Tories have pretty much bottomed out in the low-ish 40s. Dots in front of the Labour line suggest they continue to climb - my guess is this is mostly Undecided’s firming up. Maybe the reality is somewhere like 43%-37% although, as discussed, the reality is very much will depend on turnout, and that particular market continues to firm up in the average range of 60-65%: > **[Poll tracker: How the parties compare](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39856354)** > > Follow the latest opinion poll trends with the poll tracker. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/765 "2017-06-05T09:12:29Z")
Guardian/ICM indicates L34/C45. 11-point lead. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/766 "2017-06-05T09:13:42Z")
Indeed, the current range is 1%-12%. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/767 "2017-06-05T10:25:46Z")
If the [Daily Mail](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4571884/Tory-voter-pose-left-wing-BBC-debate.html) are to be believed (unlikely, but they are sometimes right) then the BBC have been caught biasing their audiences. > [@](#): > > A Conservative-voting businessman applied at least six times to be in the audience of BBC Question Time – and claims he was only accepted when he pretended to be a ‘militant Left-wing train driver’. > David Stoneman, 60, from Houghton, Cambridgeshire, decided to alter his application to see if the BBC would invite him on the programme if his views were different. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/768 "2017-06-05T10:34:50Z")
It doesn’t mean that at all; there are equal audience quotas for the two main parties, if one is full and the other isn’t … do you really need that explained? This is very, very basic stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/769 "2017-06-05T10:52:28Z")
I dunno - if anyone knows anything about deliberately implemented political biases, it’s the Daily Mail. Meanwhile [the guy behind the anti-Tory protest song “Liar, Liar”](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/theresa-may-protest-song-ska-jake-painter-interview-bbc-live-told-go-easy-on-tories-bias-claim-a7771241.html) - which the BBC are not playing due to broadcast impartiality laws - says he was asked by BBC staff “not to go too hard on the Tories". ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/770 "2017-06-05T11:02:31Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > It doesn’t mean that at all; there are equal audience quotas for the two main parties, if one is full and the other isn’t … do you really need that explained? 5 times out of 6 a Tory and rejected and the one time a Labour and gets selected? Sorry, but something smells rotten. > [@Gyrate](#): > > I dunno - if anyone knows anything about deliberately implemented political biases, it’s the Daily Mail. Hence my caveat. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/771 "2017-06-05T11:06:41Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > 5 times out of 6 a Tory and rejected and the one time a Labour and gets selected? Sorry, but something smells rotten. How many other applicants were there declaring party support and what proportion were successful for each party? Had you considered the possibility that they might possibly have had a plethora of people in his demographic and a shortage of leftwing train drivers? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/772 "2017-06-05T11:11:01Z")
Six applications is a stunningly worthless sample. There is absolutely no conclusion that can be drawn from the man’s claims even if they are the gospel truth. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/773 "2017-06-05T11:41:37Z")
This is a perfect example of the frustration of this thread; another clueless-level hijack, this time based on extremist Mail propaganda. It’s almost like someone really likes attention. ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/774 "2017-06-05T12:14:37Z")
It’s mind boggling that the Daily Mail, a mess of isms and barely disguised hebephilia, has a website that is somehow even worse. Anyway, Karen Bradley’s been having some “difficult, and often embarrassing, conversations” trying to defend May’s record on police numbers. (warning auto playing video) > **['This is not a pub quiz': Karen Bradley refuses to answer Piers Morgan's...](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/05/not-pub-quiz-karen-bradley-refuses-answer-piers-morgans-question/)** > > Karen Bradley has been described as the "Tory Diane Abbott" after refusing to answer Piers Morgan when he asked her about police cuts in the wake of the London Bridge terror attack. Meanwhile, Corbyn mistaking May for person capable of feeling shame, calls on her to resign. > **[Corbyn says May should resign as PM over police cuts | ITV News](https://www.itv.com/news/2017-06-05/corbyn-calls-for-may-to-resign-as-pm-over-police-cuts)** > > The Labour leader said he backed calls by "very responsible people" who are "very worried" about Theresa May's record. | ITV National News ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/775 "2017-06-05T13:01:58Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Quartz - please don’t feel you have to respond to every post in the thread. But obv. report this post, as you do. > So, the poll tracker suggests the Tories have pretty much bottomed out in the low-ish 40s. Dots in front of the Labour line suggest they continue to climb - my guess is this is mostly Undecided’s firming up. > > Maybe the reality is somewhere like 43%-37% although, as discussed, the reality is very much will depend on turnout, and that particular market continues to firm up in the average range of 60-65%: > > [Poll tracker: How the parties compare - BBC News](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39856354) That’ll earn you a warning, up\_the-junction. Do not ignore moderator instructions. In fact, any more of this and we’ll discuss tossing you a topic ban on UK Elections. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/776 "2017-06-05T13:58:59Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Six applications is a stunningly worthless sample. There is absolutely no conclusion that can be drawn from the man’s claims even if they are the gospel truth. From my own experience, I applied four times to various events and was accepted to three. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/777 "2017-06-05T14:36:43Z")
I applied once to attend QT and was accepted, but was then unable to attend (although I managed to get them to allow my wife to go instead). This was nigh on 15 years ago so I can’t remember what sort of questions they asked me. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/778 "2017-06-05T14:41:42Z")
The Tories are being stupid yet again. Iain Dale has an article [here](http://www.iaindale.com/posts/2017/06/05/if-you-think-labour-s-manifesto-is-fully-costed-read-on). > [@](#): > > Margaret Thatcher once said: “The trouble with socialism is that you always end up running out of other people’s money.” The Labour Party manifesto is proof of this – well, it would be if it were ever implemented. I came across this little tale on one of my friend’s Facebook page. I’m not sure if the tale is apocrophal or not, but it doesn’t really matter. Read on… > > An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Corbyn’s vision of socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. He clearly hasn’t bothered to research it. Or he thinks we haven’t heard of Snopes, which covers this very subject [here](http://www.snopes.com/college/exam/socialism.asp). Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/779 "2017-06-05T14:45:36Z")
So why even mention it? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/780 "2017-06-05T15:15:38Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > So why even mention it? Because he’s a broadcaster. A reporter. He should know better. I’m just as critical of right-wing bias as left-wing bias. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/781 "2017-06-05T15:23:44Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Because he’s a broadcaster. A reporter. He should know better. I’m just as critical of right-wing bias as left-wing bias. He’s a well-known opinionator, party activist and political gadfly, not a reporter. Granted, it’s a silly piece of laziness and professional incompetence to pick something so easily debunked, but bias is his profession. ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/782 "2017-06-05T16:23:07Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > He should know better. I said the exact same thing about Dale that time he was on the news fighting (and losing to) an OAP. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=38) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=40)