# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/823 "2017-06-07T17:51:21Z")
That’s why we need the military on the streets. It’s an emergency - a load of non-elected ‘Cobra’ people in a room said so. ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/824 "2017-06-07T17:54:15Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Allow me to fight your ignorance: £0.25 million went to Life. £69.75M went to other women’s charities. Your weak patronising tone aside, it should be rather obvious that my contention is that Life, a charity seeking to undermine the rights of women, should have received no money. The distribution of the rest of the money raised is yet another irrelevancy. > [@Quartz](#): > > Rubbish. The NHS is something on which you could spend the entire GDP of the country and could still do more. I said the NHS was being underfunded, your point is ridiculous.I refer you to the charity The Health Foundation who had this to say on the under investment in NHS England. > [@](#): > > The NHS in England is currently halfway through the most austere decade in its history. In the 2015 comprehensive spending review, the government committed to additional real terms (adjusted for inflation) funding for health of £4.5bn by 2020/21.This means that NHS funding in England will have risen by an average of 0.9% per year in real terms between 2009/10 and 2020/21. This is well below the average real terms increase of 3.7% per year since its creation in 1948, and a far cry from an average increase of 8.6% per year between 2001/02 and 2004/05. It will be the lowest ever rate of funding growth over a 10-year period. Pressures on NHS providers grow by around 4% every year, due to a growing and aging population as well as rising costs, expectations and prevalence of long-term conditions. > **[A perfect storm: an impossible climate for NHS providers’ finances?](https://www.health.org.uk/publications/a-perfect-storm-an-impossible-climate-for-nhs-providers%E2%80%99-finances)** > > This report examines the financial performance of the NHS in England, with the main focus on the finances of NHS providers and the financial position of the commissioners of care. With regards to my other points, I stand by them as reasonable summaries of Conservative Party policies and attitudes. You are, of course, free to vote for whoever you like. But perhaps it’s time for all those shy Tories to admit that what they should be feeling is abject shame. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/825 "2017-06-07T19:25:33Z")
> [@marineris](#): > > Your weak patronising tone aside, it should be rather obvious that my contention is that Life, a charity seeking to undermine the rights of women, should have received no money. The distribution of the rest of the money raised is yet another irrelevancy. Who made you dictator? Just because you have an opinion doesn’t mean that others don’t have different opinions. > [@](#): > > I said the NHS was being underfunded, your point is ridiculous. Actually, it isn’t. It’s absolutely true. > [@](#): > > You are, of course, free to vote for whoever you like. But perhaps it’s time for all those shy Tories to admit that what they should be feeling is abject shame. Maybe, but I’m not a Tory. Perhaps it’s time for all those arrogant Labour-voters to admit that they’re just bullies? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/826 "2017-06-07T20:05:22Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > It’s a fascinating experiment, a police state without any police. You win the thread. A perfect Britishism. Bravo Good Sir! ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/827 "2017-06-07T21:26:55Z")
Lord Sugar (of Amstrad and The Apprentice fame) has just [slapped down](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/07/lord-sugar-reveals-enormous-amount-paid-tax-response-angry-corbynistas/) Labour. > [@](#): > > Furious Corbynistas have accused Lord Sugar of encouraging people not to vote for Jeremy Corbyn because he wants to pay less tax. > > In response, the businessman revealed the exact amount he paid in tax this January, even tweeting a photograph of the cheque. > > He said: “To the people who have responded to my advice not to vote for Corbyn saying I want to avoid paying tax . I paid this personally in January”… > > The cheque was for £58,646,024.44. Lord Sugar is ordinarily a Labour supporter. ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/828 "2017-06-07T22:03:18Z")
> [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > It’s because Northern Ireland’s party system is utterly different from the rest of the UK’s. The Tories, Labour and Lib Dems don’t stand candidates there. Apologies for digging up a post from so early in the thread but it turns out the Conservatives are running in 7 of the 18 Northern Ireland seats, namely Strangford, North Down, South Belfast, East Belfast, East Derry, East Antrim and Lagan Valley. Wikipedia says they stood in 16 constituencies in 2015 having rebranded themselves as the Northern Ireland Conservatives. Given that the unionist vote is already split and that changing demographics favour the nationalists, this seems pretty odd. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2017, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/829 "2017-06-07T22:07:13Z")
Probably the only good thing that could come out of Brexit is the end of subservience to ridiculous European human rights laws and, especially, courts. I don’t think it’s worth the cost of leaving, though, so I’ll be voting for the only party actually campaigning on possibly reversing Brexit. Probably a waste, voting for the Lib Dems, but fuck it. Corbyn is ridiculous, and May is going too far. It’s marginally possible a forced coalition or minority government could restore some sense. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/830 "2017-06-08T00:28:15Z")
> [@marineris](#): > > Apologies for digging up a post from so early in the thread but it turns out the Conservatives are running in 7 of the 18 Northern Ireland seats, namely Strangford, North Down, South Belfast, East Belfast, East Derry, East Antrim and Lagan Valley. Wikipedia says they stood in 16 constituencies in 2015 having rebranded themselves as the Northern Ireland Conservatives. > > Given that the unionist vote is already split and that changing demographics favour the nationalists, this seems pretty odd. Since the end of their alliance with the Official Unionists, the whole point of the NI Conseratives is to field candidates in elections in Northern Ireland. If they’re not going to do that, they might as well shut up shop altogether. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/831 "2017-06-08T01:11:05Z")
10 seats to watch according to Politics Home U.K. [https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/86503/landslide-hung-parliament-–-10-seats-look-out-general-election-night](https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/86503/landslide-hung-parliament-%E2%80%93-10-seats-look-out-general-election-night) I highly doubt Dennis Skinner is going down, however. [https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/86503/landslide-hung-parliament-–-10-seats-look-out-general-election-night](https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/politics/news/86503/landslide-hung-parliament-%E2%80%93-10-seats-look-out-general-election-night) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/832 "2017-06-08T01:14:55Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Probably the only good thing that could come out of Brexit is the end of subservience to ridiculous European human rights laws and, especially, courts. Which European human rights laws are ridiculous? I’d read up on the courts before you answer too. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/833 "2017-06-08T01:40:36Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Which European human rights laws are ridiculous? I’d read up on the courts before you answer too. Making self defence far too difficult (article 2 requires that killing someone in self defence may only be legal if it’s absolutely necessary, not just if it’s reasonable). Making it difficult or impossible to remove foreign criminals if they’ve settled in the country (article 8, right to family life). Or of they own a cat… Including the right to form trade unions as a basic human right (article 11) shows the fundamental political bias behind it. Article 16 making it impossible to prevent citizens of other EU countries getting involved in national politics. And, conversely, the refusal to allow the right of marriage to extend to everybody. It’s a silly, contradictory document that tries and fails to combine the very different cultures and morals of many nations, and includes as I’ve listed several unacceptable things whilst ignoring a couple of major human rights - such as freedom from discrimination or the right to defend yourself. As for the court, it’s fundamentally against the concept of a nation for there to be an outside court able to impose rulings on it. The court does not judge in accordance with UK precedent, at least not exclusively, and so should not be involved in UK law. But as I said previously, whilst this is important, it’s not a reason on its own to leave the EU, but I rather hope that if we do end up leaving we will leave the ECHR and have some form of British human rights legislation appropriate to our country. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/834 "2017-06-08T01:42:56Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I highly doubt Dennis Skinner is going down, however. It will be the high point if the evening if he does, though. Unless Abbott somehow loses. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/835 "2017-06-08T01:52:21Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Making self defence far too difficult (article 2 requires that killing someone in self defence may only be legal if it’s absolutely necessary, not just if it’s reasonable). > > Making it difficult or impossible to remove foreign criminals if they’ve settled in the country (article 8, right to family life). Or of they own a cat… > > Including the right to form trade unions as a basic human right (article 11) shows the fundamental political bias behind it. > > Article 16 making it impossible to prevent citizens of other EU countries getting involved in national politics. > > And, conversely, the refusal to allow the right of marriage to extend to everybody. > > It’s a silly, contradictory document that tries and fails to combine the very different cultures and morals of many nations, and includes as I’ve listed several unacceptable things whilst ignoring a couple of major human rights - such as freedom from discrimination or the right to defend yourself. > > As for the court, it’s fundamentally against the concept of a nation for there to be an outside court able to impose rulings on it. The court does not judge in accordance with UK precedent, at least not exclusively, and so should not be involved in UK law. > > But as I said previously, whilst this is important, it’s not a reason on its own to leave the EU, but I rather hope that if we do end up leaving we will leave the ECHR and have some form of British human rights legislation appropriate to our country. You didn’t research the court thing at all, did you? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/836 "2017-06-08T02:12:17Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > You didn’t research the court thing at all, did you? What’s to research? I’m opposed to the basic principle of it. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/837 "2017-06-08T03:23:02Z")
I am looking forward to casting my vote. Let the fightback against Brexit begin in earnest. It’s time to restore the soul of a nation. Surrender is _not_ an option. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/838 "2017-06-08T06:27:42Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > What’s to research? I’m opposed to the basic principle of it. Who needs facts and legal principles when emotionally driven fantasy works better. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/839 "2017-06-08T07:11:42Z")
It’s a bright and beautiful morning here. This means an increased turnout, which will be good for Labour over the UK. I’ll be going to vote just as soon as I’ve finished my mug of tea. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/840 "2017-06-08T08:48:43Z")
Voted. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/841 "2017-06-08T08:53:20Z")
Voted. And done some shopping. And spoken to the neighbours. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2017, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/842 "2017-06-08T09:44:01Z")
I’ll vote tonight but the spouse reports that the polling station was very busy this morning. > [@Quartz](#): > > Rubbish. The NHS is something on which you could spend the entire GDP of the country and could still do more. Which in no way refutes the point that the Conservatives have _deliberately_ underfunded the NHS - and schools - in order to facilitate privatisation efforts. It’s not like it’s the first time they’ve tried it, remember. And the last time they did it things got so bad we had an MRSA outbreak. > [@](#): > > The Tories have long wanted to reform the HRA. No, the Tories have long wanted to rip up the HRA to allow them to do things like indefinite detention without charge and gaining access to everyone’s email. > [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Almost like an unspoken conspiracy, you might argue … Given what UKIP polled last time it’s certainly enough to make a huge difference. Even if UKIP candidates are stepping aside to allow tactical voting for the Conservatives it’s hardly a “conspiracy”. Labour, the LibDems and the Greens are openly doing this in a few constituencies including Hastings, which may result in the ouster of Amber Rudd. > [@Quartz](#): > > Plus there’s the way Remainers treated Leavers. With scorn and incredulity for their believing a bunch of lies that the Leave campaign immediately disavowed after the referendum and for facilitating a rise in assorted forms of bigotry across the country? Yes, that was terrible. Poor you. > [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > That’s why we need the military on the streets. It’s an emergency - a load of non-elected ‘Cobra’ people in a room said so. Can’t do that either - the military is at its lowest levels for decades as well. > [@Quartz](#): > > Maybe, but I’m not a Tory. Perhaps it’s time for all those arrogant Labour-voters to admit that they’re just bullies? “Bullies” for insisting that the Conservatives take accountability for their actions and policies? May and the Tories have been deliberately reluctant to share details and costs of their policies ahead of the election, which is understandable when one considers things like the Naylor review. Demanding that they own up to what they plan to do isn’t bullying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=43)