# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/983 "2017-06-09T00:34:15Z")
The rumor of the moment is that Tory HQ now fears a complete bloodbath in London. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/984 "2017-06-09T00:37:13Z")
Is there any conceivable path from here to aborting Brexit altogether? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/985 "2017-06-09T00:37:46Z")
> [@marineris](#): > > A bit of context, the SNP shed some 12000 votes since their victory last time. Labour’s vote stayed more or less exactly the same. Tories up about 5000 votes and turnout down quite a bit. What was the weather like your way? It was horrible all day here in Ochil. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/986 "2017-06-09T00:39:04Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Is there any conceivable path from here to aborting Brexit altogether? If it is a hung Parliament, there’s got to be an attempt at a holding position, surely? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/987 "2017-06-09T00:42:06Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > If it is a hung Parliament, there’s got to be an attempt at a holding position, surely? What do you mean by “a holding position”? ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/988 "2017-06-09T00:44:25Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Is there any conceivable path from here to aborting Brexit altogether? That really depends on who you believe, there is significant disagreement as to whether the UK can unilaterally withdraw the triggering of Article 50. But if all the countries of the EU agree, then it could definitely be reversed. It’s unlikely it will happen, though, as both main parties are supporting Brexit. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/989 "2017-06-09T00:45:57Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > What do you mean by “a holding position”? Cap in hand to the rest of the EU: “Due to domestic political turmoil, we will be unable to satisfactorily conclude our Article 50 obligations in the timescale agreed, please can we kick it into the long grass” or similar ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/990 "2017-06-09T00:46:29Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Forced to resign. > > Denied. > > Of course he punched the guy - it was a boxing match! > > You’ll need something better than decades-old student politics. Philip Hammond, not hung up at all on gay rights. > **[Philip Hammond taken to task over anti-gay rights record](https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/05/philip-hammond-taken-task-over-anti-gay-rights-record)** > > The Defence Secretary says civil partnerships make the introduction of equal marriage unnecessary, but he didn't vote for them in 2004. You didnt read the boxing story but here’s another: > **[MP: Gay marriage plan 'barking mad'](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-20657592)** > > Conservative MP David Davies says plans by the UK government to allow same sex marriages are politically "barking mad". Liam Fox’s post student politics record on gay rights. > **[Is Theresa May the right Conservative leader for gay people?](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-36683521)** > > LGBT group hoping to rally support for Theresa May despite her less than positive track record on gay issues “Not big on LGBTQ+ issues, Liam Fox has voted against every “gay rights” bill during his time in Parliament.” Google a Tory MP’s name with the word homophobic after it. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/991 "2017-06-09T00:47:08Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > What do you mean by “a holding position”? They had the former Greek finance minister, who’s name I’m not going to attempt to spell off the top of my head, talking about this on Channel 4. He suggested the only sensible way forward would be to agree to a temporary 5-year Norway style agreement, to allow for enough time to negotiate a long term agreement that benefits both sides. ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/992 "2017-06-09T00:53:08Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > What was the weather like your way? It was horrible all day here in Ochil. Typical June day, it poured all day. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/993 "2017-06-09T00:53:35Z")
> [@marineris](#): > > “Not big on LGBTQ+ issues, Liam Fox has voted against every “gay rights” bill during his time in Parliament.” Although if he and Adam Werritty did ever decide to tie the knot, it would look something [like this](http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/24/article-2401470-03ADFCA60000044D-349_306x557.jpg). ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/994 "2017-06-09T00:53:50Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > It’s too soon imo; first thing she has to do is avoid the whiskey and revolver option tonight. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Uh, meaning? _Scene: the Club Library. Old Army Colonel and young lieutenant are talking._ **Old Army Colonel** : “Young Jones, I’m afraid you’ve really blotted your copybook. Let down the side. Honour of the regiment at stake. I’m just happening to leave a glass of whiskey and my loaded service revolver here on the desk. I think you understand?” **Young subaltern** : “Yes, sir, I believe I do.” **Old Army Colonel** : “Good show! Honourable end, what? I’m just stepping out for a breath of air.” _Exit. Scene shifts to the Club steps._ **Old Army Colonel** : “Yes, it does look a bit black for young Jones. Sad. Good family and all that.” **Fellow Club Member** : “One hears rumours, of course, but one wants to believe they’re unfounded.” _Loud “Bang” comes out the open window of the library._ **Old Army Colonel** : “Good Gad! I believe I forgot my revolver in the library. I hope there hasn’t been a terrible accident.” ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/995 "2017-06-09T00:53:51Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Cap in hand to the rest of the EU: “Due to domestic political turmoil, we will be unable to satisfactorily conclude our Article 50 obligations in the timescale agreed, please can we kick it into the long grass” or similar No chance whatsoever that this would be well-received on the mainland. The overwhelming sentiment among the EU-27 will be that we’ve been dealing with this crap for far too long already. If the UK wants to commit to the Union, we can talk; otherwise stop faffing about and just go already. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/996 "2017-06-09T00:54:02Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > They had the former Greek finance minister, who’s name I’m not going to attempt to spell off the top of my head, talking about this on Channel 4. He suggested the only sensible way forward would be to agree to a temporary 5-year Norway style agreement, to allow for enough time to negotiate a long term agreement that benefits both sides. See Sweden (and to a lesser extent Denmark) and their sincere attempts to join the Euro - we’ll be ready soon, honest. As the decades pass. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/997 "2017-06-09T00:56:46Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > See Sweden (and to a lesser extent Denmark) and their sincere attempts to join the Euro - we’ll be ready soon, honest. As the decades pass. An ongoing pseudo-negotiation while we are “temporarily” on bearable terms might be the least worst option. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/998 "2017-06-09T00:58:12Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Is there any conceivable path from here to aborting Brexit altogether? It might not be a popular view but I do believe the public voted for a renegotiation of what the EU thought it was/is. Most people in the UK wold be content with most of what the EU represents as long as we take back control of our national borders. People would like more accountability, more transparency, less arrogance, less isolation from the public by Brussels. In other words, over to you, Mrs Merkel. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/999 "2017-06-09T00:58:53Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > No chance whatsoever that this would be well-received on the mainland. The overwhelming sentiment among the EU-27 will be that we’ve been dealing with this crap for far too long already. If the UK wants to commit to the Union, we can talk; otherwise stop faffing about and just go already. I think they’d be receptive to a colossal fudge. The big economy that tried to leave but couldn’t isn’t such a bad narrative for the 27. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1000 "2017-06-09T01:06:44Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > I think they’d be receptive to a colossal fudge. Quick, somebody get Cadbury’s chief confectioner on the line! A great national project such as this could be just the thing to rebuild the communal spirit, bring people together and heal a divided country. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1001 "2017-06-09T01:07:22Z")
Good news: Philip Davies (CON), the most vile piece of shit in Parliament, has lost his seat in Shipley. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1002 "2017-06-09T01:08:47Z")
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