# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 57
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1123 "2017-06-09T09:10:48Z")
It’s going to be awkward for the Parliament but I’m just buzzing from the fact London is socialist - emphatic result. First Sadiq Khan in a landslide, now this; glory days 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1124 "2017-06-09T09:12:24Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The polls range from Lab+3 to Con+13 but with a high level of uncertainty. The Tories could lose their majority or gain a few dozen seats and it would all be in the mix somewhere.\*\* Pretty much the only result that would really be a pollbreaker would be a dramatic increase in seats for Labour, which no one seems to think will happen\*\*. :smack::smack::smack: > [@Quartz](#): > > And belated congratulations to Chi Onwurah, the just-elected MP for Newcastle upon Tyne Central. Newcastle beating the usually-first Sunderland South to declare was a minor point of amusement last night. > [@Steophan](#): > > And they legalised gay marriage, making us one of the first few countries to do so. There’s at least as much homophobia into the party of the working man as with the Tories. I won’t dispute the latter point but as I recall it the Conservatives were strongly divided on the issue; it passed with the blessing of the more socially progressive half of the Tories (including Cameron) and the strong backing of Labour (and presumably the LibDems too). > [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > It looks like the collapsed UKIP vote is getting reassigned way more 50:50 between Labour and Conservatives than expected. Which is weird, tbh. Not really; there are a lot of Labour Leave voters. > [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Thinking about it… > > Turnout 2015: 66.4% > Turnout 2017: 68.7% > > I don’t think the youth bothered to vote. It was UKIPers splitting unevenly between Tories and Labour. That doesn’t explain places like Canterbury. > [@Malden\_Capell](#): > > Zac Goldsmith squeaks in at Richmond Park. A majority of 45. He must be so proud. > [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Best Result: Imagine old Murdoch’s misery right now… I know! And Dacre and the Barclays… > [@blindboyard](#): > > Something of a nightmare situation. The DUP wagging the Tories, or a coalition with LibDems and ScotsNats both wanting to replay referenda they lost last time. Yes, one of the unexpected downsides of last night was the likelihood of DUrP gaining a lot of political leverage, corrupt fundamentalist troglodytes though they be. The LibDems have utterly ruled out joining any coalition, even on a vote-by-vote basis, as they are still licking their self-inflicted wounds from 2015. And while Labour/SNP isn’t the worst match in the world I doubt Corbyn would want to pay the price Sturgeon would demand: another vote on independence. Speaking of the LibDems, you have to feel for Tim Farron. There he was, giving his victory speech which no one was listening to because they were watching the man directly behind him who was dressed as a [fishfinger](http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tim-farron-holds-seat-mr-10589268). ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1125 "2017-06-09T09:14:34Z")
> [@Stanislaus](#): > > Yes, so have I but I haven’t seen a source for it. . A quick Google found this [NME exit poll](http://www.nme.com/news/nme-exit-poll-young-voters-2017-general-election-2086012) which reports a 56% turnout among 18-30 y.o. NME? ITN did some really good work last night on yoof turnout in 50 marginals. In those marginals the yoof and Red Kippers won it for Labour together. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1126 "2017-06-09T09:26:59Z")
UK election nights in a picture: [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB2PcwbXYAAchQi.jpg](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB2PcwbXYAAchQi.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1127 "2017-06-09T09:39:10Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > NME? I know. Doing the maths, 72% looks like it is plausible but astonishing. An overall increase in voters of c. 2.4 million, of whom c.40% would be 18-24. (That’s based on population share estimates of the age groups (18-24=12%), so some inaccuracy depending on registration levels. Talk of 1 million extra registrations before the election though could mean the share of electorate was higher than 12%. Anyhow, doesn’t imply collapse in elderly voting, just a surge in youth voting. Unprecedented. I’ve got problems with Corbyn, but all kudos to him for this - he played for and got. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1128 "2017-06-09T09:47:57Z")
That’s all very reliant on assumptions about the size of the electorate, which I can’t find great data on for 2017 yet. So pinch of salt. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1129 "2017-06-09T09:56:32Z")
Of the 650, 200 members of the new Parliament are women. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1130 "2017-06-09T10:03:10Z")
Conservatives in the media this morning: “We are all standing firmly behind Mrs May.” \ I’ve forgotten who the Tory talking head on the Channel 4 election show was (besides Anne Widdecombe) but he got asked about what would happen to Theresa May should the exit poll prove correct, on the basis that the Tories are “all about power” and notoriously unforgiving of failure. He spluttered and denied everything, but it had clearly struck a nerve. ---
**Author:** ![Stanislaus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stanislaus/32/3391_2.png) [@Stanislaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stanislaus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1131 "2017-06-09T10:06:44Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Conservatives in the media this morning: “We are all standing firmly behind Mrs May.” > > \ > > I’ve forgotten who the Tory talking head on the Channel 4 election show was (besides Anne Widdecombe) but he got asked about what would happen to Theresa May should the exit poll prove correct, on the basis that the Tories are “all about power” and notoriously unforgiving of failure. He spluttered and denied everything, but it had clearly struck a nerve. Dominic Raab, I think. A fairly radical Tory IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1132 "2017-06-09T10:43:09Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Conservatives in the media this morning: “We are all standing firmly behind Mrs May.” The better to stab her in the back. I’ve started a thread on her replacement [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=828181). ---
**Author:** ![blindboyard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindboyard/32/2833_2.png) [@blindboyard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blindboyard)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1133 "2017-06-09T11:09:23Z")
Good election. The swingometer is May swinging from a lamppost and Corbyn is down the allotment trying to figure out if peapod wine is a good substitute for champaign. I’m looking forward to next year’s general election now. On Corbyn’s unelectability, here are the figures for general recent election winners: Blair 1997: 13,518,167 Blair 2001: 10,724,953 Blair 2005: 9,552,436 Cameron 2010: 10,703,754 Cameron 2015: 11,334,576 And the loser: Corbyn 2017: 12,858,652 So twenty years since even the winner got more votes than Labour this time round. ---
**Author:** ![RobDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobDog)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1134 "2017-06-09T11:12:13Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Conservatives in the media this morning: “We are all standing firmly behind Mrs May.” > > \ > > … There’s your next cover of Private Eye right there. ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1135 "2017-06-09T11:18:16Z")
> [@](#): > > She warned: “It would mean Scottish MPs who have no responsibility for issues like health, education and policing in their own constituencies making decisions on those issues for England and Wales.” > > “Rightly, people in England would say ‘hang on a minute, why are Scottish nationalist MPs allowed to do that?’ > > “There would be a very real feeling this was something people did not want to see, had not voted for and would find difficult to accept. It would raise difficult questions about legitimacy. A lot of English people would question that.” Then Home Secretary, Theresa May, speaking in 2015 on why a minority Labour government being propped up by the SNP would cause the worst constitutional crisis since 1936. I wonder how they’ll square that circle with their DUP love-in. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1136 "2017-06-09T11:18:24Z")
I’ve been reading about how good a night the Tories had in Scotland. While it’s true, it may not last: I think that there was a lot of tactical voting. I only have to look in the mirror for that. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1137 "2017-06-09T11:21:31Z")
> [@marineris](#): > > Then Home Secretary, Theresa May, speaking in 2015 on why a minority Labour government being propped up by the SNP would cause the worst constitutional crisis since 1936. > > I wonder how they’ll square that circle with their DUP love-in. It’s completely different: the SNP want to break the Union; the DUP do not. ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1138 "2017-06-09T11:30:48Z")
It’s clearly the same scenario that she was using to stoke up anti-Scottish sentiment in 2015, the will of the English electorate being subverted by voters from another part of the UK. But sure, it’s because the SNP want to break up the union. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1139 "2017-06-09T11:38:27Z")
> [@marineris](#): > > But sure, it’s because the SNP want to break up the union. > > :rolleyes: I don’t know why you’re rolling your eyes; it really is as simple as that. ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1140 "2017-06-09T12:11:16Z")
If she had said “It would mean Scottish MPs who want to break up the union making decisions on issues affecting England and Wales" you might have a sliver of a point. But she didn’t. The union is not mentioned, it’s not even hinted at. Because that’s not the point she’s making. I know “The Union” is your version of “It’s the economy stupid”, but not everything’s about that. Really, it’s not - most people probably don’t give it much thought, and Theresa May certainly wasn’t thinking about it in the comments above. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1141 "2017-06-09T12:26:37Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I’ve been reading about how good a night the Tories had in Scotland. While it’s true, it may not last: I think that there was a lot of tactical voting. I only have to look in the mirror for that. For some definitions of “last”. You have had several decades of Scots who supported most things in the Tory manifesto, steadfastly voting against “those Tory bastards”. As long as SNP’s independence claims remains a factor in Scottish politics and Labour/Lib Dems continue to equivocate on the issue, the Tories will continue to benefit from it, being the party of Union. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2017, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1142 "2017-06-09T13:56:20Z")
> [@blindboyard](#): > > Good election. The swingometer is May swinging from a lamppost and Corbyn is down the allotment trying to figure out if peapod wine is a good substitute for champaign. I’m looking forward to next year’s general election now. > > On Corbyn’s unelectability, here are the figures for general recent election winners: > Blair 1997: 13,518,167 > Blair 2001: 10,724,953 > Blair 2005: 9,552,436 > Cameron 2010: 10,703,754 > Cameron 2015: 11,334,576 > > And the loser: Corbyn 2017: 12,858,652 > > So twenty years since even the winner got more votes than Labour this time round. That’s all true, but for most of those years there were more votes for smaller parties, mainly Lib Dems, SNP and UKIP. This time there were many more votes for the two larger parties, so it doesn’t necessarily prove anything. It’s certainly vastly more than I expected him to get when the election was called, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=56) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=58)