# UK Snap Election: 8 June 2017 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 18, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690 "2017-04-18T10:08:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1183 "2017-06-11T14:36:25Z")
Obviously no senior Tories wanted to go out and defend courting the DUP, but the sight of Michael Fallon - who has consistently voted against or abstained on gay rights - [being asked by Andrew Marr](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40238454) “So these are your new close friends, are you repulsed by gay people?” is yet another self inflicted wound. > [@Quartz](#): > > The pro-Labour spinning is incredible. A casual observer would think that Corbyn won. Of course, he lost by a huge margin in seats. Corbyn delenda est? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1184 "2017-06-11T15:03:06Z")
> [@marineris](#): > > …I bet that guy with the beard was in charge of releasing statements. If you mean Nick Timothy, he’s gone: [https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/world/europe/theresa-may-britain-nick-timothy-fiona-hill.html?action=click&contentCollection=Europe&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/world/europe/theresa-may-britain-nick-timothy-fiona-hill.html?action=click&contentCollection=Europe&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article) ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1185 "2017-06-11T15:26:17Z")
> [@marineris](#): > > Corbyn delenda est? Corbyn’s as bad as May. Neither are fit for the top job. The danger are the SNP. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1186 "2017-06-11T16:14:43Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > The pro-Labour spinning is incredible. A casual observer would think that Corbyn won. Of course, he lost by a huge margin in seats. And the Tories got the highest share of the vote since Blair in 1997. The big unanswered question is whether this is some form of progressive movement and Corbyn is just getting started, or whether it’s a high water mark and the normal service of centrist to moderate right wing governments will soon be restored. I suspect the latter, and if another election is called soon voter fatigue will favour the Tories - but for the last few years things have been all over the place, so it’s hard to have any real confidence either way. But were I a betting man, I’d put a small sum on Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson being PM by the end of the year. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1187 "2017-06-11T16:38:15Z")
Westminster only: Survation (as accurate as YouGov): LAB: 45% (+5) CON: 39% (-3) LDEM: 7% (-) UKIP: 3% (+1) Some more stuff on this new paradigm of 70%+ yoof engagement and VOTING; not only did Labour get to this group (18-25) that was previously not accessible via traditional methods (canvassing,newspapers, political programmes), it got to them first. The Tories now hae to work, GE after GE to try and _convert them._ Very, very interesting. These people don’t often engage before 30, and now they have experienced voting and will be back. Another cultural shift; the yoof vote in packs - anecdotally, they were showing up in packs 10-20 at a time, between 7pm and 10pm (presumably meeting after work, in the pub). This age group was an epic win for Labour. Totally new in so many ways to UK politics, if not more widely. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1188 "2017-06-11T16:52:01Z")
Just think, if they’d turned up last year or in 2015, we wouldn’t have Brexit to contend with. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1189 "2017-06-11T16:54:24Z")
Last year at least; once bitten, twice shy. Not sure Labour had the manifesto in 2015. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1190 "2017-06-11T17:00:36Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > But were I a betting man, I’d put a small sum on Alexander Boris De Pfeffel Johnson being PM by the end of the year. And Boris would undoubtedly quickly remove European fantasies of tens of billions in Brexit fees and would instead keep his earlier promise of an extra 350 million per week for the National Health Service. Right? > **[Boris Johnson insists the NHS will get £350m a week extra after Brexit](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-theresa-may-win-general-election-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-uk-prime-minister-a7705026.html)** > > Pressed on whether he still stood by the claim, the Foreign Secretary replied: 'Of course I do' ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1191 "2017-06-11T17:26:41Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > And Boris would undoubtedly quickly remove European fantasies of tens of billions in Brexit fees and would instead keep his earlier promise of an extra 350 million per week for the National Health Service. Right? > [Boris Johnson stands by £350m extra NHS funding after Brexit campaign claim | The Independent | The Independent](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tony-blair-theresa-may-win-general-election-jeremy-corbyn-labour-leader-uk-prime-minister-a7705026.html) Unlikely. Brexit under the Tories will fuck us over, just as much as Corbyn with a strong mandate for his fantasy economics would. We are probably screwed either way, as there’s no stable, vaguely centrist option. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1192 "2017-06-11T17:33:50Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I think that with the Brexit vote last year still fresh in people’s minds the youth turnout will be much higher. Especially if it’s a nice day. I’m just going to remind people of this prediction I made. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1193 "2017-06-11T17:43:52Z")
So, 650 parliamentarians (for now), of whom: 52 are ‘non-white’ 45 are LGBT 208 are ‘non-males’ 😉 51% went to Comprehensive schools > **[Subscribe to read | Financial Times](https://www.ft.com/content/3bbb5af2-4ea7-11e7-bfb8-997009366969)** > > News, analysis and comment from the Financial Times, the worldʼs leading global business publication ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1194 "2017-06-11T17:47:33Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I’m just going to remind people of this prediction I made. How prescient. Here’s another “prediction” you made 5 hours later. > [@Quartz](#): > > OTOH I wonder if exams will affect the election? Younger people will be revising hard for upcoming exams and may feel that they cannot afford the hour or two required to vote. ---
**Author:** ![RobDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobDog)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1195 "2017-06-11T17:49:16Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I’m just going to remind people of this prediction I made. Self-congratulation; it’s never a good look. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1196 "2017-06-11T17:49:27Z")
p.s. London is socialist - Labour got 55% of the vote: BOOM! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![marineris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@marineris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marineris)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1197 "2017-06-11T18:55:38Z")
And Michael Gove slithers his way back into the cabinet at the Department of the Environment. Gove’s credentials for the environment brief include lobbying for the UK to ditch the Habitats Directive after Brexit, and trying to remove all mention of climate change from the National Curriculum when he was Education Secretary. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1198 "2017-06-11T19:07:46Z")
I’ve only seen one photo of Gove this evening and I already want to properly punch his lights out. I’m just not sure whether that is entirely irrational or rational. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1199 "2017-06-11T19:15:27Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > I’ve only seen one photo of Gove this evening and I already want to properly punch his lights out. > > I’m just not sure whether that is entirely irrational or rational. I am still learning about UK (and Irish) politics, but after reading his page at Wikipedia, I’m gonna have to tell you that I’m leaning towards “rational”. That guy is a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Malden\_Capell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/malden_capell/32/5274_2.png) [@Malden\_Capell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malden_Capell)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1200 "2017-06-11T21:22:20Z")
Disappointed Davis hasn’t moved. Every time he opens his mouth I am more convinced this country’s doomed. I can’t see this new Cabinet generating much confidence. I think it will show May as very stiff-necked and captured by hardcore eurosceptics. About the only appointment I welcome is Lidington as Lord Chancellor. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1201 "2017-06-11T21:26:17Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I am still learning about UK (and Irish) politics, but after reading his page at Wikipedia, I’m gonna have to tell you that I’m leaning towards “rational”. That guy is a dick. It’s quite the indicator of dickness that he thought he should write a foreword to the King James Bible. ---
**Author:** ![KatTP](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@KatTP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KatTP)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690/1202 "2017-06-11T21:29:46Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > Unlikely. Brexit under the Tories will fuck us over, just as much as Corbyn with a strong mandate for his fantasy economics would. We are probably screwed either way, as there’s no stable, vaguely centrist option. I am a Canadian living in the U.K. for the last 3 years. I have absolutely no understanding of how this government works, and the more I read the more confused I become. But, with what little I do understand, I’d have to agree with you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/uk-snap-election-8-june-2017/784690.md?page=61)