# Ultra-Meta Tag-Team (Marvel vs DC) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 18, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976 "2017-08-18T13:44:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/1 "2017-08-18T13:44:12Z")
Superman and Captain Marvel vs Sentry and Hyperion. Which would win? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/2 "2017-08-18T14:27:13Z")
That depends. Do you mean Captain Marvel, or Captain Marvel, or maybe Captain Marvel? And if you mean Captain Marvel, which one? ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/3 "2017-08-18T15:04:06Z")
Captain Marvel is trained in crisis management. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/4 "2017-08-18T16:08:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > That depends. Do you mean Captain Marvel, or Captain Marvel, or maybe Captain Marvel? And if you mean Captain Marvel, which one? There isn’t any significant difference between the various Captains Marvel at DC (Billy, Mary, Freddy, various alternate universe versions of same), aside from which name they use when ‘Captain Marvel’ isn’t available to them for some reason. (Shazam, Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel jr/CM3…) Ironically, asking ‘which Hyperion’ would actually be a meaningful question, since they vary greatly in personality, which would significantly alter how the fight would go (Emperor Hyperion (a genocidal maniac), or the Squadron Sinister Hyperion (a crook) would be less likely to work well with Sentry, for instance). Although I think in all cases we can assume it’s the version active in the main universe. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/5 "2017-08-18T18:58:47Z")
Hyperion and Sentry are essentially copycats of Superman. So it’s basically a fight of Superman vs Superman. I’d rather see Superman fighting Thor. Captain Marvel can fight Iron Man. Also on the card: Batman vs Captain America Wonder Woman vs Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) Green Lantern vs Scarlet Witch Martian Manhunter vs Vision Zatanna vs Dr Strange Cyborg vs Spiderman Green Arrow vs Hawkeye Aquaman vs Wolverine Flash vs Hulk Lobo vs Deadpool Lex Luthor vs Dr Doom ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/6 "2017-08-18T19:24:53Z")
My money’s on the Tick. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/7 "2017-08-19T01:48:45Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Hyperion and Sentry are essentially copycats of Superman. So it’s basically a fight of Superman vs Superman. > > I’d rather see Superman fighting Thor. Captain Marvel can fight Iron Man. I’m a bit behind the times in comic books, but if Captain Marvel/Shazam is as strong, as fast, and as invulnerable as Superman, how is that a fight? > [@](#): > > Also on the card: > > Batman vs Captain America > Wonder Woman vs Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) > Green Lantern vs Scarlet Witch > Martian Manhunter vs Vision > Zatanna vs Dr Strange > Cyborg vs Spiderman > Green Arrow vs Hawkeye > Aquaman vs Wolverine > Flash vs Hulk > Lobo vs Deadpool > Lex Luthor vs Dr Doom Batman…barely Wonder Woman…even closer than before Scarlet Witch Martian Manhunter (unless it is the movie Vision with the Mind Gem) Zatanna (Dr. Strange is more powerful but that costume is just too damn distracting) Spider-man (he punched out a Herald of Galactus once…) The bartender at the nearest bar Wolverine Hulk (makes me sad to say that, though) Lobo (but it takes years to finish) Dr. Doom (better armor and more accustomed to armor fighting) ---
**Author:** ![TYphoonSignal8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@TYphoonSignal8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TYphoonSignal8)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/8 "2017-08-22T02:24:23Z")
Shazam now has new powers, yes? Derived from other gods, not the Roman ones? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2017, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/9 "2017-08-22T02:59:23Z")
Shazam/Captain Marvel’s patrons have never been fully Roman…or even all gods - the original list was Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles, and Mercury. His new list is S’ivaa, H’ronmeer (Martian god), Anapel, Zonuz (Darkseid’s father), Ate, and Mamaragan (the Wizard who gave him his powers). His powers are more or less the same, just with different sources. ---
**Author:** ![TYphoonSignal8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@TYphoonSignal8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TYphoonSignal8)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/10 "2017-08-24T03:38:09Z")
Aha. Thanks. But I had gathered Shazam can no longer fly, because the gods which are his power source have no flight capability. Gather also H’ronmeer is a Martian death god with flame powers? Did that translate into Shazam being able to shoot/spit/fart flame? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/11 "2017-08-24T04:25:18Z")
Uhhh…DOOM crushes all on that list. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/12 "2017-08-24T04:35:28Z")
> [@TYphoonSignal8](#): > > Aha. Thanks. But I had gathered Shazam can no longer fly, because the gods which are his power source have no flight capability. > > Gather also H’ronmeer is a Martian death god with flame powers? Did that translate into Shazam being able to shoot/spit/fart flame? He got the flight back and lost the pyrokenesis for reasons I’m unclear on (big gap in my reading around Darkseid War). Maybe the original set of gods came back and I’m confused. ---
**Author:** ![TYphoonSignal8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e99b99/32.png) [@TYphoonSignal8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TYphoonSignal8)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/13 "2017-08-24T05:04:43Z")
Ah well. DC Comics. Shooting from the hip since 1987. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/14 "2017-08-24T05:23:01Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > Shazam/Captain Marvel’s patrons have never been fully Roman…or even all gods - the original list was Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles, and Mercury. Wasn’t Merlin one of the originals? ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/15 "2017-08-24T06:12:04Z")
I’m not really familiar with the Fawcett version, so I can’t say for sure, but the M in the DC versions has always been Mercury (until it was Mamaragan). I’m not sure what Merlin could have provided that Solomon and Zeus weren’t already. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-meta-tag-team-marvel-vs-dc/793976/16 "2017-08-24T15:22:58Z")
**Kamino** is right. Never was Merlin. Guess they didn’t want another old wizardy guy mucking up things. And old wizardy guys always muck things up.