# Ultra-Orthodox Jews of New York spreading covid and other problems (ed. title) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 10, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666 "2020-10-10T21:52:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/1 "2020-10-10T21:52:35Z")
> **[Brooklyn’s Orthodox Jews burn masks in violent protests as New York cracks...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/08/orthodox-jews-protest-covid-brooklyn/)** > > For three consecutive nights, hundreds of men have congregated on the streets of Brooklyn, dancing, clashing with police and burning face masks. Before anyone objects that this sounds anti-Semitic, let me just say that I have known many Reform Jews and they were literally all delightful people, every single one. But these ultra-orthodox/Hasids seem to be racist, misogynist, and now rioting against masks? FFS 😒 And as I understand it, over in Israel they are not required to work for a living or join the military, but they are happy to be the spearfront of the settler movement and thereby gin up military oppression of Palestinians. Just an awful, poisonous ideology all around. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/2 "2020-10-10T21:55:16Z")
This ought to go well. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/3 "2020-10-10T21:58:47Z")
Y;know, there _is_ a much larger anti-mask group you may want to target first. Just sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![partialgrape](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@partialgrape](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/partialgrape)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/4 "2020-10-10T22:04:18Z")
To be honest, I wouldn’t know without looking farther into it. However, it seems like if they aren’t required to _work_, those who do not work of their own free will (which who would, if it’s a choice) may not be contributing good things to the economy. Not that they never do any good thing, just that it may be true that they don’t take action to make big, bold statements that _improve_ the society rather than tear it down. However, there are always people like this, and whether they are ultra-orthodox Jews or not probably doesn’t make a difference. For instance, rioters can certainly be seen as not contributing _positively_ to society. They create and/or enhance the atmosphere of chaos and fear by making people feel unsafe. It’s true that what they are rioting for is a good thing, but riots are the least effective way to get a point across. There are so many other ways to say things and make a statement, but riots are not that. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/5 "2020-10-10T22:20:36Z")
They can fuck off with every other ignorant, racist, misogynist, science denier. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/6 "2020-10-10T22:38:34Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > …these ultra-orthodox/Hasids seem to be racist, misogynist, and now rioting against masks? Hey, two outta three ain’t bad. If what you say is true, you should get along just fine with them. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Y;know, there _is_ a much larger anti-mask group you may want to target first. Oh, no. This small group of Jews is by far the greatest threat to health and safety in America right now. Way bigger than that fascist in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/7 "2020-10-10T22:49:25Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Oh, no. This small group of Jews is by far the greatest threat to health and safety in America right now. Way bigger than that fascist in the White House. I think we can make judgements about them as a group based on their actions and beliefs without turning them into an existential threat to American society. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/8 "2020-10-10T22:51:32Z")
I tend to believe that people don’t just randomly pick one particular subsection of society to criticize, among all the other people doing basically the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/9 "2020-10-10T23:00:59Z")
Well, the OP does have a history of interest in Jewish culture as whole. So I’m not entirely surprised to see him post this. I don’t have any reason to call him an anti-semite for calling out this group in particular. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/10 "2020-10-10T23:04:04Z")
I didn’t call him an anti-Semite. Just a racist and a misogynist. ---
**Author:** ![partialgrape](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@partialgrape](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/partialgrape)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/11 "2020-10-10T23:45:54Z")
Maybe, but that’s obviously not super nice, even if it is true. And if OP is asking a question (harmless or not) the goal is to answer the question, not insult OP. ---
**Author:** ![partialgrape](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@partialgrape](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/partialgrape)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/12 "2020-10-10T23:48:41Z")
We can certainly try to not be rude, ignorant people who are only on here to make fun of and insult people ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2020, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/13 "2020-10-10T23:53:19Z")
You joined 5 hours ago. You have no fucking idea what I’m here for. …I’m messing with you. Welcome to the boards and especially the Pit forum. Where this sort of thing is TRADITION! ---
**Author:** ![partialgrape](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@partialgrape](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/partialgrape)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/14 "2020-10-11T00:00:39Z")
Indeed, I did. It was actually for my synesthesia, which is super cool by the way. \*whispers \* _just because it’s tradition doesn’t make it okay_ ;D just kidding sorta lol ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/15 "2020-10-11T01:17:05Z")
Oh, I think they’ve been around, in one form or another, for far more than a few hours. And I think they know exactly what forum they wandered into. `*cough**cough*sock` ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/16 "2020-10-11T01:20:23Z")
I don’t know, a sock would know how the pit works and that acting like a concern troll almost nevers works in the pit. I’ll welcome **partialgrape** to the Dope and add, The pit isn’t about answering questions, its about letting off steam and recreation outrage. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/17 "2020-10-11T02:36:26Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > If what you say is true, you should get along just fine with them. Definitely not, or I wouldn’t be eleven years into marriage with a feminist sociologist atheist who brings home the bacon, never wears skirts or dresses, etc. 😛 > [@QuickSilver](#): > > Well, the OP does have a history of interest in Jewish culture as whole. So I’m not entirely surprised to see him post this. I don’t have any reason to call him an anti-semite for calling out this group in particular. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/18 "2020-10-11T02:37:51Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > The pit isn’t about answering questions, its about letting off steam and recreation outrage. Hasn’t there been the odd Pit thread that’s “degenerated” into an actual great debate and thus gotten moved to GD? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/19 "2020-10-11T04:33:32Z")
There was a thread recently with flavors of ATMB, but we put a stop to that posthaste. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > Definitely not, or I wouldn’t be eleven years into marriage with a feminist sociologist atheist who brings home the bacon, never wears skirts or dresses, etc. 😛 Again. I didn’t call you an anti-semite. I called you a racist and a misogynist. If that’s OT, I apologize to all the posters who came here for a good, clean thread, started in the pit, by a racist who wants to trash a minor Jewish sect, and totally doesn’t mean to be anti-semitic. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2020, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666/20 "2020-10-11T04:52:39Z")
Still wrong. I have been, in my entire tenure here, an unwavering proponent of policies and politicians overwhelmingly supported by Black people and feminists, other than a small radical fringe. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ultra-orthodox-jews-of-new-york-spreading-covid-and-other-problems-ed-title/922666.md?page=2)