# Um, DavidB, we're in here... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 21, 2001, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158 "2001-01-21T20:26:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2001, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/41 "2001-01-22T21:54:56Z")
SCYLLA – Merely a (futile?) attempt to wrench the thread back to the OP. I don’t disagree with anything you said. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2001, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/42 "2001-01-22T22:23:03Z")
Nah, **Ptahlis,** I wasn’t trying to say that Gaudere is a Rottweiler. Somebody in some Pit thread a while ago, I don’t even remember which thread it was, said something about her being the leader of the Great Debates atheist wolf pack or something like that, referring to her “pissing with a baculum-reinforced penis”. And she responded to that with humor, (“woo-hoo!”) not incensed fury. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2001, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/43 "2001-01-22T23:13:02Z")
Aw, I _wanted_ to be the Rottweiler, but I drew the short straw and so I have to be the Nice Atheist while David gets to have all the fun. ☹ If I can lead the Great Debates Atheist Wolfpack that’s pretty sweet, though. AwooooOOOOOooooo! ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/44 "2001-01-23T00:01:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > [sub]Rosanna… [/sub] \*\* Far be it for me to question someone else’s knowledge of 80s music, but was it “Joanna” or “Rosanna”? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/45 "2001-01-23T00:09:38Z")
PUN you ignorant slut, it’s Rosanna, as in Rosanna Arquette, whom the songwriter had just broken up with when he wrote the song. (And in case you’re too young for this as well: “Jane, you ignorant slut” is an old SNL insult – it seems appropriately Pit-ish, but I don’t want to piss you off. 😉 ) ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/46 "2001-01-23T01:15:55Z")
Yeah, what Jodi said. “Joanna” was by Kool and the Gang. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/47 "2001-01-23T01:20:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > > [sub]Rosanna… [/sub] \*\* > > Far be it for me to question someone else’s knowledge of 80s music, but was it “Joanna” or “Rosanna”? \*\* Young man, Whilst one appreciates a certain desire for knowledge, I an amazed at yor shameless insinuation that **The King of 80’s Pop And Rock Trivia** [sup]TM[/sup] would not be certain of such a basic fact as a correct **Toto** lyric. Be ashamed, be _very ashamed_. Sincerely, Coldfire _T.K.O.8.P.A.R.T._ ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/48 "2001-01-23T01:32:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jodi \* > \*\*PUN you ignorant slut, it’s Rosanna, as in Rosanna Arquette, whom the songwriter had just broken up with when he wrote the song. > \*\* Just to wrap up all the late 70’s pop references up in one neat little ball, are we sure the song wasn’t about Rosanne Rosannadanna? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/49 "2001-01-23T01:51:13Z")
Didn’t it say, like, “Meet you all the way…Roseaaannn ahhh naa…” ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/50 "2001-01-23T02:04:57Z")
“_Need_ you all the way”. Sheesh. Oh well, we can’t all be T.K.O.8.R.A.P.T. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/51 "2001-01-23T05:06:02Z")
From everything I’ve observed, **David B.** is no harder on fundamentalism than he is on Wicca, UFO’s, ESP, astrology, paranormal phenomena, etc. Is he _easy_? No–but he is very fair and evenhanded in that regard. If someone doesn’t like his personal style that’s one thing, but I agree with the posters who’ve noted that this place is geared toward proof, rational argument, etc. That can be tricky to apply to religion and such, but if a topic is thrown open for debate in the first place it’s gonna get _debated_. I can understand the discomfort expressed but can’t support mandating a “kinder, gentler David B.” (The mind reels; what next? Alphagene other than his cuddly Vlad the Impaler self?) Does this understanding and restraint also apply to numerologists, channelers, past-lifers, astrology buffs, Lemurians, former UFO hostages, etc.? They’re beliefs, too, and fervently held by some. Fair’s fair. This place discusses and debates just about anything. I don’t see how–or why–David should “lower the bar”. He and Gaudere do a truly _excellent_ job. Veb P.S. I _hate_ that song. Everyone associated with it should have been basted with honey and staked over a nest of fire ants. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/52 "2001-01-23T05:11:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Jodi \* > \*\*PUN you ignorant slut, . . . \*\* I wish. “Joanna” is on a “Hits of the 80s” CD I used to see advertised on late-night (if 2 am is latenight) TV. Hell, I turned 10 in 1991. How in the hell am I supposed to remember songs by Toto? ---
**Author:** ![Danielinthewolvesden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce7236/32.png) [@Danielinthewolvesden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danielinthewolvesden)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/53 "2001-01-23T07:49:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > 3. DITWD decides to take it a step further by debating the merits of creationism, rather than anything to do with David. > DITWD has a long, well-known history of making baseless assertions, being unable to provide cites, misusing cites, misunderstanding cites, misrepresenting other posters’ positions, misrepresenting the positions of the authorities behind the cites he does use, and dodging questions. Hell, there was a three-page thread from Gaudere not a month ago devoted to that very topic. > \*\* I was not debating the merits ofcreationism- I was deriding your attempt to call anyone was believes in the Creation “ignorant”. And it is good to see that you are jumping on the “Big Lie” bandwagon. The only folks around here who have accused me of that sort of stuff are the hardcore atheists, who simply cannot stand anyone who is willing & able to debate them toe-to-toe on religious matteres, without reatreating into the “well the Bible says it’s so” defense. So- since you are unable to win the debates with me on a rational level, you stoop to spreading lies & propaganda to discredit me. You say you want to fight ignorance- and the tools you use are slander, “the Big lie”, personal attacks, and rhetoric. If you are indeed fighting on the side of “knowledge”- surely you can win by logic, facts & debate. However, it is my experience that the side “in the wrong” is the side that stoops to slander & personal attacks 1st. Some of you have noted I have been attacked in a number of PIT threads- and it is so. How many have I started, where i PERSONALLY attacked anyone? The worst I have done was gently kid Euty about her 'attack" on post-count-parties. Again- the side that stoops to personal attacks 1st almost never has the “moral high ground” And- that 3 page thread? Sure- I made an error or 2- and then admitted them. I failed to state that a verse applied to only some/most, and it did not apply to all. I never said it did apply to all- but I did not supply all the needed info. That was a mistake. I was wrong. And, we both submitted our arguements as to the somewhat confusing meanings to a recognized expert, ie Zev. And you know what- one of my interpretations was wrong. And I admitted it. Something else? Gaudere was wrong too- but would not admit it. ---
**Author:** ![Lux\_Fiat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc79bd/32.png) [@Lux\_Fiat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lux_Fiat)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 8:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/54 "2001-01-23T08:14:36Z")
> [@](#): > > I hate that song. Everyone associated with it should have been basted with honey and staked over a nest of fire ants. Which one? The Toto song, or the Kool and the Gang song? I’m right behind you either way. DDG, for what it’s worth, the substance of your posts had you accusing David B of being unfair, and then refusing to support your assertion (“David, I cheerfully admit to having not a single shred of evidence to prove that you’re the resident Rottweiler, and that I spent last spring and summer watching you and some of the others take chunks out of various Fundie legs.”). You were being pleasant, and funny, and all that, in the style of your post (I think David B misinterpreted your self-deprecaton for sarcasm), and he was being harsh in the style of his. As far as content, though, the simple truth is that he could back his shit up, and you would not. It was, then, a baseless accusation that you made, and it would be criminal if you _didn’t_ catch hell in GD for a baseless accusation, especially from the guy you’re indicting. ---
**Author:** ![Danielinthewolvesden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce7236/32.png) [@Danielinthewolvesden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danielinthewolvesden)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/55 "2001-01-23T08:25:44Z")
And, folks- remember i try to ‘combat ignorance’ in the evolution vs creation battle. When somebody comes on with some half-baked idea or flawed psuedo-science that tries to prove evolution “scientifically” wrong- i jump right in there to defend evolution. Personally, I beleive in “guided cosmology”, ie that the earth, etc was created all by scientific natural means, but that a “Hand” guided such things as the creation of life and Human evolution. But, if someone wants to say that the Earth is only some 6000 years old- but was created exactly as if it was billions- then I will “accept but not agree”. Oh, and 'toto" was a typo for “total”. Arthritis in the fingers- sorry, I know it sometimes makes my posts kinda hard to read. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/56 "2001-01-23T11:29:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Danielinthewolvesden \* > **The worst I have done was gently kid Euty about her 'attack" on post-count-parties.** Eutychus55 is a **man** , Daniel, as has I believe has been explained to you before and as anyone who has read 2 or 3 of his posts should know. If you can’t even get basic facts like this right, you shouldn’t wonder why so many people don’t trust you. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/57 "2001-01-23T11:54:41Z")
For the love of St. Concepta’s jacuzzi, can we ever have a rant about DavidB, and not have a certian member of the Arquette family disrupting a perfectly good thread. that’s the dutch for ya. how do you like them apples? ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/58 "2001-01-23T13:33:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Danielinthewolvesden \* > **And it is good to see that you are jumping on the “Big Lie” bandwagon.** Oh yeah, that’s me–Mr. Bandwagon Jumper. It’s not like I’ve ever actually **read** your posts. :rolleyes: \*\* > [@](#): > > The only folks around here who have accused me of that sort of stuff are the hardcore atheists, who simply cannot stand anyone who is willing & able to debate them toe-to-toe on religious matteres,\*\* Riiiiiight. How many Pit threads **or** accusations of dishonesty have you seen concerning Polycarp, tomndebb, or cmkeller? A quick guess is “zero,” or maybe “one.” And yet you seem to attract these accusations. Could it be because you are, well, dishonest? Hell, on another thread just yesterday I caught you again, claiming that Catholics think the Pope is infallible. \*\* > [@](#): > > So- since you are unable to win the debates with me on a rational level, you stoop to spreading lies & propaganda to discredit me.\*\* Whatever, Daniel. You do a fine job of discrediting yourself every time you let your fingers touch the keyboard. \*\* > [@](#): > > And- that 3 page thread? Sure- I made an error or 2- and then admitted them.\*\* That is about the most absurdly reductionist recap of what happened that I have ever seen. I recommend that everyone read that thread to see **exactly** what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Clairmont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@Clairmont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clairmont)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/59 "2001-01-23T14:20:36Z")
When I signed on, I spent most of my time lurking in Great debates. I _like_ David. He does not suffer fools gladly, and when you say something really stupid, he’ll let you know. Sometimes. More often than not, he’ll let it go. It’s called Great Debates. Learn how to present your case, or stay the hell out. If I say something controversial there, I \*expect[/] to be questioned on it, and to defend it. If I’m not prepared to do that, or if I take exception to being challenged, then I haven’t posted my topic to learn something. I’m merely pontificating. I have no use for people like that. Apparently, neither does DavidB. ---
**Author:** ![Clairmont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@Clairmont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clairmont)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/60 "2001-01-23T14:23:21Z")
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