# Um, DavidB, we're in here... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 21, 2001, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158 "2001-01-21T20:26:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/61 "2001-01-23T15:10:07Z")
A correction, **Clairmont** worthy of **DitWD** for its timeliness and clarity. 😉 And I take it that **pldennison** meant “revisionist” rather than “reductionist”. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/62 "2001-01-23T15:30:24Z")
> [@](#): > > And I take it that \*\* pldennison\*\* meant “revisionist” rather than “reductionist” Phil was being generous. I would have said “delusional.” > [@](#): > > Personally, I believe in “guided cosmology”, i.e., that the Earth, etc. was created all by scientific natural means, but that a “Hand” guided such things as the creation of life and Human evolution. So then DIWTD can’t be arguing for the creationists’ side if he is to be consistent. Science only debates process, not purpose. Once can believe in a divine purpose for creation because it’s not a testable argument, but one cannnot believe that the Earth is 6000 years old because that can be demonstrated to be false. > [@](#): > > But, if someone wants to say that the Earth is only some 6000 years old- but was created exactly as if it was billions- then I will “accept but not agree”. What does “accept but not agree” mean? If a proposition is flat-out wrong, as creationism has repeatedly been shown to be, you can’t accept or agree. ---
**Author:** ![SuaSponte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SuaSponte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuaSponte)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/63 "2001-01-23T15:37:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > Hell, I turned 10 in 1991. How in the hell am I supposed to remember songs by Toto? For shame. Does your youth excuse your ignorance of Mozart? Beethoven? It does not excuse your ignorance of the Toto, with whom they share a place in the pantheon. Sua ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/64 "2001-01-23T15:46:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by iampunha > Hell, I turned 10 in 1991. How in the hell am I supposed to remember songs by Toto? A: I turned 30 in 1991. Stop making me feel old! 🙂 B: What SuaSponte said. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/65 "2001-01-23T15:52:03Z")
I thought “Rosanna” was about cheating. The guy sees it in the girl’s eyes that she’s having an affair. “Read you all the way Buh dud dup! Ro-sa-a-a-a-na. Read you all the way. Hey Hey! Ro-sa-a-a-a-na” ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/66 "2001-01-23T15:54:35Z")
Then they had that other song about losing money in International Currency Speculation. “I left the gains down in Africa.” ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/67 "2001-01-23T16:05:31Z")
Toto? Didn’t their drummer die in a bizarre gardening accident? ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/68 "2001-01-23T16:24:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by picmr \* > \*\*Toto? Didn’t their drummer die in a bizarre gardening accident? \*\* I found this on [Noel’s TOTO Homepage](http://www.euronet.nl/users/sazias/): > [@](#): > > Jeff [Porcaro] died from inhaling poisonous fumes from a dangerous insecticide,” David Paich [one of Toto’s founding members] explains. “He was setting out a barbecue in his garden. Jeff thought that he could handle the poison without expert advice and, moreover, without protective clothing or a mask. Shortly beforehand he had taken a hot shower and this contributed to his death. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2001, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/69 "2001-01-23T23:51:26Z")
THAT has Darwin Award written all over it! Roseaaaana! Roseannaa! Joooaaaaannnaaa…I looooove youuuuuu… ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2001, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/70 "2001-01-24T09:44:24Z")
I heard the _unofficial_ story on Jeff Porcaro had something to do with snorting white stuff… but the gardening incident is the press release version alright. ---
**Author:** ![hawthorne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@hawthorne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hawthorne)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2001, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158/71 "2001-01-24T12:16:31Z")
I heard the combination story – that the insecticide was _usually_ non-toxic but was known to react with certain substances. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/um-davidb-were-in-here/51158.md?page=3)