# Umbrella Man is a Hell's Angel and not Antifa **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 29, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663 "2020-07-29T00:33:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/1 "2020-07-29T00:33:32Z")
From AP: "Police say a man captured on surveillance video breaking windows at a south Minneapolis auto parts store in the days after George Floyd’s death is a [Hell’s Angels member](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-hells-angel-sparked-minneapolis-riots-over-floyd/ar-BB17itnE) who was bent on stirring up social unrest. Dubbed “Umbrella Man” for an all-black getup that included hood, gas mask and black umbrella, police say the man’s actions soon led to an arson fire that was the first of several that transformed peaceful protests into chaos." Sooooooo, hopefully this educates some of the folks on this board that blamed Minneapolis on Antifa. And realize just 'cause you wear black, doesn’t make you anything beyond someone wearking black. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/2 "2020-07-29T01:05:55Z")
That can’t be true. I have it on good authority that the man was an Black Bloc Anarchist. > [@Feds 'black-bagging people' in Portland](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/747): > > Yeah, but I saw a vid of what was clearly a Black Bloc Anarchist, in all black, body armor and gas mask, calmly walked down a row of windows, smashing them, and other protestors watching and saying nothing. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/3 "2020-07-29T01:46:16Z")
More details here: [https://www.wdio.com/news/police-hells-angel-sparked-minneapolis-riots-over-floyd/5809776/](https://www.wdio.com/news/police-hells-angel-sparked-minneapolis-riots-over-floyd/5809776/) ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/4 "2020-07-29T01:50:00Z")
Wow, if it’s true then he was too chickenshit to wear his proud colors and rocker to the scene. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/5 "2020-07-29T02:01:29Z")
Moved to MPSIMS (from QZ) ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/6 "2020-07-29T03:59:55Z")
In this age of traffic cameras everywhere, it ought to be quite easy to catch this fellow and produce good evidence in court. ---
**Author:** ![PlaceboTarget](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/placebotarget/32/1073_2.png) [@PlaceboTarget](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlaceboTarget)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/7 "2020-07-29T04:03:19Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > hopefully this educates some of the folks on this board I’m sure they’ll tell their friends about this too. The only “education” one can see these days is confirmation bias. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/8 "2020-07-29T04:23:11Z")
Interesting but based upon _a anonymous tipster_ means it’s doubtful if we will ever really know. But if he is a Hells Angels Biker, then color me wrong. I did say he wasnt antifa tho, that is not their style. ---
**Author:** ![Asuka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@Asuka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asuka)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/9 "2020-07-29T06:08:57Z")
To be fair I don’t get exactly what this “proves”, people openly suspected the Umbrella Guy was either a cop or an outside agitator since the beginning and there already was rioting and looting in Minneapolis before this guy showed up. Are we now back on the conspiracy theory train that 90% of the looters/rioters in every single city during the protests was a police agent/alt-right agitator now? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/10 "2020-07-29T06:13:50Z")
Has anybody here said anything close to that? ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/11 "2020-07-29T06:16:38Z")
All we know is what “police say.” I think it’s far too early to be sure who the hell this guy actually is. I’m sure a lot of police departments see “outlaw biker” or even just “biker” and someone writes down Hells Angels. I’m skeptical. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/12 "2020-07-29T06:35:52Z")
Right wing playbook – always cast doubt, whataboutism, both sides do it, ad nauseum. Antifa exists primarily as a figment of the right wing imagination. Unlike, say those that want to start a race war. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/13 "2020-07-29T10:07:24Z")
> [@Lamoral](#): > > All we know is what “police say.” I think it’s far too early to be sure who the hell this guy actually is. I’m sure a lot of police departments see “outlaw biker” or even just “biker” and someone writes down Hells Angels. I’m skeptical. I think that law enforcement in particular recognize the existence of many different owtlaw mcs and do not casually name drop. Unless they’re spectacularly incompetant. The Hell’s Angels in my neck of the woods have lawyers, and they sue. > **[Village Cleared for Not Serving Hells Angels](https://www.courthousenews.com/village-cleared-for-not-serving-hells-angels/)** > >      CHICAGO (CN) – Two Hells Angels bikers cannot contest an unofficial ban against them from bars and restaurants in a small Illinois village, a federal judge ruled.      Gary Kohlman and Allen... Again, all of this must be proven. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/14 "2020-07-29T17:12:33Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > there already was rioting and looting in Minneapolis before this guy showed up Was there? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/15 "2020-07-29T17:50:06Z")
We all knew he was a outside agitator. Based upon appearance and my experience with the BLM protests in Oakland, etc, I assumed he was a Anarchist since he is dressed like one, and acting like one. That was the safe bet. But sure, he could be a right wing outside agitator- they are becoming more common we hear. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/16 "2020-07-29T18:01:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I assumed he was a Anarchist since he is dressed like one, and acting like one. Isn’t wearing a uniform and acting in a predictable manner kinda contradictory? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/17 "2020-07-29T20:13:01Z")
Be good to rethink that assumption of dressed in black = anarchist or antifa. With all due respect, that has been story line _cough cough_ propaganda _cough cough_ pushed by Fox and right wing media. It’s a playbook as old as time to put on the enemy “uniform” to create an excuse to send in the storm troopers. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/18 "2020-07-29T20:41:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I assumed he was a Anarchist since he is dressed like one, and acting like one I didn’t think he was acting like one. Wouldn’t an anarchist have been trying to convince the protestors to join him, instead of running away from them? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/19 "2020-07-29T21:24:30Z")
No, just the opposite: > **[What are 'black bloc' anarchists?](https://bigthink.com/the-present/what-are-black-bloc-anarchists/)** > > The controversial protest tactic has a checkered history. \*\* “Black blocs” are a common sight in protests.\* \*\* The black-garbed and masked protesters often commit acts of violence and vandalism, and the tactic is most commonly associated with anarchists.\* For some reason the regular protesters are now copying the Black Blok anarchists (which is a idiot move). However, the Anarchists started it. So yeah, just dressed all in black now no longer necessarily means Black Blok anarchist. But the quality gas mask, the light body armor etc, all suggest that movement, and the deliberate rather than angry destruction of property in a otherwise peaceful protest screams outside agitator. Which used to be almost always anarchists, but now yes, include other groups. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/20 "2020-07-30T00:24:20Z")
Is he a full patched Hells Angel or a prospect or what? I can’t imagine that this guy was acting officially on behalf of the club. Why would they want the heat? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663.md?page=2)