# Umbrella Man is a Hell's Angel and not Antifa **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 29, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663 "2020-07-29T00:33:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/21 "2020-07-30T00:43:53Z")
Why would you think he was acting on behalf of the club? If it turned out he was a member of Mensa or the SDMB would you also assume he was acting on behalf of those clubs? ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/22 "2020-07-30T01:09:44Z")
I mean, I wouldn’t think it, but a lot of the conspiracy theory people are probably going to think there IS some connection now that it’s been reported that he is (supposedly) a member. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/23 "2020-07-30T01:57:16Z")
Nicholas Kristof is a conservative OP Ed commentator and is in Portland [covering the protests nightly](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/29/opinion/portland-protests-trump.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage). Hopefully not behind a paywall. He’s also an Oregon farm boy made good. This is his turf. His conclusion: It also must be said that while there’s violence from both sides, what I’ve seen firsthand is that the most violent behavior overwhelmingly comes from the federal agents, and indeed the most serious injuries have been suffered by protesters. Your federal tax dollars paid to shoot a man in the face with a “less lethal” munition — an unprovoked assault that left him with a fractured skull and possible brain damage. If you want to call one side “rioters” or “anarchists” working to create tumult in Portland, it’s the uninvited feds who qualify. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/24 "2020-07-30T02:35:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > “Black blocs” are a common sight in protests.\* > \*\* The black-garbed and masked protesters often commit acts of violence and vandalism, and the tactic is most commonly associated with anarchists. Also from that link: > the tactic of the Black Bloc: they went to protests and marches wearing black motorcycle helmets and ski masks and dressing in uniform black clothing (or, for the most prepared, wearing padding and steel-toed boots and bringing their own shields and truncheons). In Black Bloc, autonomen and other radicals could more effectively fend off police attacks, without being singled out as individuals for arrest and harassment later on. And, as everyone quickly figured out, having a massive group of people all dressed the same This was one guy all on his own. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/25 "2020-07-30T05:43:26Z")
Actually that is unknown since it is only based upon _a anonymous tipster_ . ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/26 "2020-07-30T14:14:52Z")
The police are reported also as so identifying him. > **[Minneapolis police identify 'Umbrella Man' who helped incite George Floyd...](https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/us/umbrella-man-associated-white-supremacist-group-george-floyd/index.html)** > > Minneapolis police have identified a suspect whom they believe helped initiate the riots and destruction in the city following the killing of George Floyd. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/27 "2020-07-30T15:27:11Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Antifa exists primarily as a figment of the right wing imagination. Unlike, say those that want to start a race war. I’m in Seattle and I’ve been seeing these people at protests since WTO. In addition, the Youth Liberation Front (which is not “Antifa” but is mostly anarchists according to their own description) was the organizer of the violent protest in Seattle last Saturday. The right spins lots of things, but to say that these people are primarily a figment of right wing imagination just isn’t supported by the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Ashtura](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ashtura/32/2963_2.png) [@Ashtura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ashtura)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/28 "2020-07-30T15:42:53Z")
Ok, but who is “pink shirt pizza guy?” He was in multiple videos with umbrella man. He almost seemed like he was playing the part of his antagonist. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/29 "2020-07-30T16:16:20Z")
> **[Elijah ‘EJ’ Easley Speaks Out: He’s the ‘Pink Shirt Pizza Guy’ with the...](https://heavy.com/news/2020/06/elijah-ej-easley-pink-shirt/)** > > Elijah EJ Easley has come forward, revealing that he was the 'pink shirt pizza guy' in the video who confronted the Umbrella Man. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/30 "2020-07-31T00:45:04Z")
There have been plenty of OMG teh antifa are coming. [Do you remember the camping “antifa” family in Forks WA](https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/5/21281581/antifa-bus-hoax-trump-misinformation-protests-police)? I’m on the Eastside. No doubt there are limited number of antifa as well as anarchists. That the antifa have taken over Seattle is a right wing propaganda fantasy. Christ, I was a proto-antifa in the early 80’s during the hardcore nazi punks era. And knew some serious anarchists back then (animal liberation front folks that burned down research facilities). ---
**Author:** ![ThisIsTheEnd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thisistheend/32/4713_2.png) [@ThisIsTheEnd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThisIsTheEnd)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/31 "2020-07-31T08:10:11Z")
Guy seemed pretty bored tbh. Just broke the windows in order, no enthusiasm at all. He seemed pissed at the job they gave him, not society. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/32 "2020-07-31T13:55:11Z")
> [@Asuka](#): > > To be fair I don’t get exactly what this “proves”, people openly suspected the Umbrella Guy was either a cop or an outside agitator since the beginning and there already was rioting and looting in Minneapolis before this guy showed up. No. No there wasn’t. There were demonstrations. There were some vocal agitators. Umbrella Man was the instigator of the looting and rioting. He caused others to come up and stir up even more violence to redirect the purpose of the demonstrations from Justice for George to causing chaos and leaving the streets a war zone. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/33 "2020-07-31T15:02:35Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > That the antifa have taken over Seattle is a right wing propaganda fantasy. You stated they only exist in right wing imagination, which is a pretty different statement from your statement here about them taking over Seattle. The facts are that they exist and tend to show up during protests, and based on their own statements, tend to be the people that are breaking windows and setting fires. They aren’t imaginary and they aren’t taking over the city, but they do cause significant damage during protests. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/34 "2020-07-31T16:05:17Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Nicholas Kristof is a conservative OP Ed commentator Boy, have you got that one wrong! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/35 "2020-07-31T18:41:47Z")
Antifa is by no means imaginary, altho they have no organization. However, Antifa is not about “breaking windows and setting fires”- that is almost always outside agitators such as the Black Blok Anarchists, and now also far right hate groups. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/36 "2020-07-31T19:00:14Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > There have been plenty of OMG teh antifa are coming. [Do you remember the camping “antifa” family in Forks WA](https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/5/21281581/antifa-bus-hoax-trump-misinformation-protests-police)? I remember this, and I also remember that I never saw any follow up stories on it. So i checked, and there are no follow up stories on it. I sent an email to the Clallam County Sheriff’s office, tho asking what the state of the investigation was, if any suspects had been identified and if anyone had been arrested yet. A voicemail message said the person who the email likely went to is out of the office until 3 August, but I’ll let you know what they tell me. Like the Vaughn Booker case, I’m really, really curious to know why there’s seemingly been no arrests and no follow up stories. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/37 "2020-07-31T19:12:05Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Antifa exists primarily as a figment of the right wing imagination. > [@RaftPeople](#): > > You stated they only exist in right wing imagination 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/38 "2020-07-31T19:55:23Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Like the Vaughn Booker case, I’m really, really curious to know why there’s seemingly been no arrests and no follow up stories. I’ve seen follow up stories on the local news. They released video of the initial encounter in a parking lot and asked for anyone with knowledge to come forward. ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/39 "2020-07-31T19:57:26Z")
Here’s one of the follow up stories: > **[Deputies seek public’s help after group harasses multiracial family near Forks](https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/deputies-seek-publics-help-after-incident-towards-multiracial-family-near-forks/281-ded53338-6c27-4bdc-8cd8-2b6b643b1b6a)** > > Clallam County Sheriff’s Office is asking for the public’s help after a group of people confronted a multiracial family accusing them of being members of Antifa. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663/40 "2020-07-31T20:02:48Z")
That appears to be a story from the future. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umbrella-man-is-a-hells-angel-and-not-antifa/916663.md?page=3)