# Umkay's banning **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [June 25, 2012, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264 "2012-06-25T16:57:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/21 "2012-06-25T18:21:18Z")
I don’t really think this case deserves strenuous rule-parsing or justification, but TubaDiva references multiple persona_s_. I don’t think the lying was itself clearly bannable, but the creation of a sock account to prompt outcries of praise and sympathy, followed by outrage, victimhood, attention, etc. sure was. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/22 "2012-06-25T18:26:50Z")
Both sezyoo and umkay used the term “kablooey” and the acronym “KWIM” in their posts. On top of everything else, that was just one coincidence too many. ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/23 "2012-06-25T18:40:19Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Both sezyoo and umkay used the term “kablooey” and the acronym “KWIM” in their posts. On top of everything else, that was just one coincidence too many. Nice, Blank Slate. Those kinds of idiosyncratic language use (and spelling when there are alternates) are very concrete tip-offs to speaker identity. This makes me think to do a linguistic analysis of the two written records. Eh, nyahh, I’m probably too lazy, but if any other linguist (or non-professional linguist) wants to get it started… well, I’m your lazy linguist friend. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/24 "2012-06-25T18:47:41Z")
You know, if I weren’t such a newbie here, I’d start a thread called: Ask the lesbian linguist mama sitting in bed. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/25 "2012-06-25T18:51:40Z")
> [@tapu](#): > > Nice, Blank Slate. Those kinds of idiosyncratic language use (and spelling when there are alternates) are very concrete tip-offs to speaker identity. This makes me think to do a linguistic analysis of the two written records. > > Eh, nyahh, I’m probably too lazy, but if any other linguist (or non-professional linguist) wants to get it started… well, I’m your lazy linguist friend. > > 🙂 So you want someone more cunning? _flees_ ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/26 "2012-06-25T18:53:18Z")
The most damning thing was that she showed up here out of the blue with no prior history just a couple of weeks after the fraud was discovered on the other board. Too much of a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/27 "2012-06-25T18:56:21Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > So you want someone more cunning? > _flees_ Pat, it’s been done. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/28 "2012-06-25T19:24:24Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I’d be interested in hearing what evidence allowed us to conclude that umkay was the one making false posts to another board. I know there is a set of similarities between that poster and her, but there are also some differences. The voice umkay created here was literate and engaging, and I don’t hear that in the “mommy board” poster at all. But the rash of similarities in stories – that is, the facts each was presenting as “my life” – is rather damning. Brick we are often on the same side in issues where people are reacting emotionally to legal issues. I tend to take the by the letter legal viewpoint too. But take my advice, just stop. This one is not getting you anywhere. You are on the wrong side of this. Better to just walk away. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/29 "2012-06-25T19:25:29Z")
Wow, I’ve been had, and I was crushing on umkay/Clare/whoever too. Oh well, at least it didn’t cost me any $$, just time and emotion and effort. Thanks to the mods and all others who connected the dots. I’m new at this, forums and all, and continue to learn. I just looked up what a sock account is, and now I know its definition (Hello, Marley23!). As Cougar says, life goes on, long after the thrill of livin’ is gone. Rock on. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/30 "2012-06-25T19:27:07Z")
My advice is to not name them otherwise you’ll just get attached. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/31 "2012-06-25T19:42:57Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > My advice is to not name them otherwise you’ll just get attached. OK, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![conway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ec9cab/32.png) [@conway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/conway)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/32 "2012-06-25T19:44:51Z")
> [@](#): > > My advice is to not name them otherwise you’ll just get attached. Good advice, Poster 53900. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/33 "2012-06-25T19:45:04Z")
> [@tapu](#): > > Nice, Blank Slate. Those kinds of idiosyncratic language use (and spelling when there are alternates) are very concrete tip-offs to speaker identity. This makes me think to do a linguistic analysis of the two written records. > > Eh, nyahh, I’m probably too lazy, but if any other linguist (or non-professional linguist) wants to get it started… well, I’m your lazy linguist friend. > > 🙂 I’m too lazy too…I just read it somewhere. And honestly, kablooey? Someone needs to go back to troll school. ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/34 "2012-06-25T19:49:22Z")
Here’s why I’m disappointed about the banning: I was putting the chances at 99% that we had already seen the last post out of **umkay** , and now I’ll never know if I was right (about that part at least.) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/35 "2012-06-25T19:54:38Z")
> [@guizot](#): > > Will the plot get any thicker, we now wonder? Yes. **Cecil Adams** and **TubaDiva** are secretly the same person, and the reason they created **Cecil** ’s original column and, subsequently, this website, was to make the **Umkay** account in order to troll us all. ---
**Author:** ![The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_wind_of_my_soul)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/36 "2012-06-25T19:57:56Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > Here’s why I’m disappointed about the banning: I was putting the chances at 99% that we had already seen the last post out of **umkay** , and now I’ll never know if I was right (about that part at least.) Wouldn’t this just prove you right? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/37 "2012-06-25T20:16:36Z")
> [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](#): > > Wouldn’t this just prove you right? I think the mathematical phrase about something like this is that it’s “vacuously true.” ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/38 "2012-06-25T20:22:30Z")
> [@The\_wind\_of\_my\_soul](#): > > Wouldn’t this just prove you right? [literalist pedant] Implicit in **Do Not Taunt** ’s prediction was the notion that **umkay** would not return of her own volition. Banning her makes it impossible to prove DNT’s prediction either true or false. [/literalist pedant] ---
**Author:** ![Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/do_not_taunt/32/2968_2.png) [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Do_Not_Taunt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/39 "2012-06-25T20:35:14Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > [literalist pedant] > Implicit in **Do Not Taunt** ’s prediction was the notion that **umkay** would not return of her own volition. Banning her makes it impossible to prove DNT’s prediction either true or false. > > [/literalist pedant] Yes, exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2012, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264/40 "2012-06-25T21:31:58Z")
> [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](#): > > [literalist pedant] > Implicit in **Do Not Taunt** ’s prediction was the notion that **umkay** would not return of her own volition. Banning her makes it impossible to prove DNT’s prediction either true or false. > > [/literalist pedant] It’s like the TV Trope of someone who doesn’t want kids finding out they _can’t_ have them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/umkays-banning/626264.md?page=3)