# Unarmed Man Shot by Deputies Inside His Own Car Outside His Own Home **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [July 29, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834 "2013-07-29T18:27:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky_the_Wonder_Spirit)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/21 "2013-07-29T22:30:01Z")
> [@ducati](#): > > It’s intentionally wrong and intentionally misleading. This is how this kind of incident gets out of hand. Someone lies or distorts the facts, idiots grab it and hold it as gospel, and won’t listen to anything else. How do you know that? I mean, besides the fact that you want to bend over backward to make sure that these poor, beleaguered cops don’t have :gasp: _mean things said about them on the internet_ after shooting a man in his own yard? ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/22 "2013-07-29T22:40:56Z")
> [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](#): > > Don’t be black. Outside. After dark. On your own property. But most importantly… Don’t be black. At any time. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@Sparky\_the\_Wonder\_Spirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky_the_Wonder_Spirit)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/23 "2013-07-29T22:44:05Z")
Especially not in Florida. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/24 "2013-07-29T22:49:12Z")
Hey! I’ve got a white Gran Torino! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/25 "2013-07-29T23:20:31Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > The OP sucks for making shit up so he can blame the victim. There is no absolutely indication the guy did anything wrong. I agree; the OP seems to be little more than an attempt to cast the cops as “in the right” and the victim as having done something wrong. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/26 "2013-07-29T23:24:18Z")
Didn’t we already establish that the victim WAS wrong, because he was BWIF (Black, while in Florida)? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/27 "2013-07-29T23:44:57Z")
> [@ducati](#): > > Delaying your response to a sudden or furtive move by a suspect is what gets cops killed. Really? In 2011 a total of 72 cops in the entire US were killed. I am curious how you would estimate what number of those died because they “delayed their response.” ---
**Author:** ![desertmonk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@desertmonk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/desertmonk)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2013, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/28 "2013-07-29T23:58:27Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Really? In 2011 a total of 72 cops in the entire US were killed. I am curious how you would estimate what number of those died because they “delayed their response.” How were they killed? ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/29 "2013-07-30T00:39:08Z")
> [@desertmonk](#): > > How were they killed? In my state the most common way for a cop to die in the line of duty is to have some idiot run him over with their car. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/30 "2013-07-30T01:55:02Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > A deputy should not put himself in a position where he has no time to evaluate a response without opening fire because he is in doubt. When cops fire 17 rounds, I have a tougher time believing they were firing because they had no time to evaluate and were in doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/31 "2013-07-30T02:07:00Z")
Police are now claiming the 60-year-old man lunged at them, which is why they had to fire 17 rounds, hitting him in the leg once. [http://www.pnj.com/article/20130729/NEWS11/130729006/Mother-of-man-shot-in-his-front-yard-speaks-out](http://www.pnj.com/article/20130729/NEWS11/130729006/Mother-of-man-shot-in-his-front-yard-speaks-out) ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/32 "2013-07-30T02:25:06Z")
> [@from the above link](#): > > “As much as we are trained and as much as officers – which have Type A personalities – like to say we are in control, we are not,” Morgan said at the conference. Gun-toting people who lack self-control are scary and need to be avoided. Stupid sheriff. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/33 "2013-07-30T03:30:40Z")
> [@desertmonk](#): > > How were they killed? Those were the ones “feloniously” killed and they mostly gunshots. The fbi put together [a pie chart](http://m.fbi.gov/#http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/november/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released) for the last 543 deaths. ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/34 "2013-07-30T03:37:11Z")
> [@ducati](#): > > And the first paragraph is… > _ **Deputies in Florida’s Escambia County have some explaining to do after they allegedly shot an unarmed man for grabbing a box of cigarettes out of his own car outside his own house.** _ > Oh, wait. That’s the same link. Did you somehow miss the first sentence of the article you linked to? It’s intentionally wrong and intentionally misleading. The deputies were from Florida’s Escambia County so this part is true. The have some explaining to do just as any officer involved in an on the job shooting does. **Allegedly** … Not proven, but it is what they are being accused of. Shot… well, he did end up with a bullet in his leg. an Unarmed man… this turned out to be true. For grabbing a box of cigarettes… sounds like he was only looking for one. Out of his own car… it was his Mom’s. Outside his own home… this is true. So, is it that it was a single cigarette, or that it was his Mom’s car that is upsetting you? Oh, and the witness is backing the guy who got shot. I’m not saying that the case is open and shut… it needs to be investigated. But, this doesn’t seem to be an extreme exaggeration or distortion of what is **alleged.** ---
**Author:** ![JBDivmstr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b4bc9f/32.png) [@JBDivmstr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBDivmstr)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/35 "2013-07-30T04:24:25Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > _ **17 shell casings found.** _ Presumably the deputies were less than 40 feet away, yet they didn’t kill him with _ **17 shots fired.** _ They need training in more than one area of law enforcement, although frankly I don’t want either (any?) of these guys with a badge or a gun ever again. (bolding mine) First of all… **IANALEO** and I _ **ain’t** _ ‘taking sides’, not _yet_ anyway… The first of the stories linked to claims that 7 shots were fired “according to LE officials”. The differing story claims that the mans relatives came up with _ **17** _ shell casings! :dubious: I have trouble believing that. One would think that with 17 rounds fired at a range of less than 50’, at a stationary target no less, that only 1 round hit. 7 sounds a more believable number. All of that aside, I see some glaring deficiencies in training, and thats from a civilian with no law enforcement training. The plot thickens… ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/36 "2013-07-30T05:25:37Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > What happens if a suspect is deaf? Suppose he’s not facing the cops? [**They Taser them**](http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/police-enter-home-on-false-alarm-and-then-taser-a-hearing-impaired-man-getting-out-of-the-bathtub/). ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/37 "2013-07-30T05:33:03Z")
> [@JBDivmstr](#): > > (bolding mine) > > First of all… **IANALEO** and I _ **ain’t** _ ‘taking sides’, not _yet_ anyway… > The first of the stories linked to claims that 7 shots were fired “according to LE officials”. > The differing story claims that the mans relatives came up with _ **17** _ shell casings! This is Florida. Those could be anybody’s. ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/38 "2013-07-30T14:32:01Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Those were the ones “feloniously” killed and they mostly gunshots. The fbi put together [a pie chart](http://m.fbi.gov/#http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/november/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released) for the last 543 deaths. I don’t get a pie chart when I click on that link. Do I select the “job openings” link? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/39 "2013-07-30T14:40:45Z")
> [@Kenm](#): > > [**They Taser them**](http://jonathanturley.org/2007/12/04/police-enter-home-on-false-alarm-and-then-taser-a-hearing-impaired-man-getting-out-of-the-bathtub/). Deaf, naked and sopping wet stepping out of a bathtub. Of _course_ they tasered him-nobody could find a plugged in radio to drop into the tub. ---
**Author:** ![standingwave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9de0a6/32.png) [@standingwave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/standingwave)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834/40 "2013-07-30T14:51:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Deaf, naked and **sopping wet stepping out of a bathtub**. Of _course_ they tasered him-nobody could find a plugged in radio to drop into the tub. Improved conductivity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/unarmed-man-shot-by-deputies-inside-his-own-car-outside-his-own-home/664834.md?page=3)